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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4794731" data-attributes="member: 2011">Why did you come here to discuss this?To argue?To justify to your players?Obviously, you are ignoring the math. Did you even look at the chart? Do you not see the heavy armor lag mid-Paragon levels? You are ignoring the fact that the Cleric took a feat to get Scale and hence should have a better AC than the Rogue.Did you make up your mind before you even wrote a single word? You don't appear to care that the Rogue that had a lesser AC than the Cleric at level 1 has a better AC at levels 14 and 15 with the original rules.And you sure as heck are not going to convince anyone else. Everyone who responded to you explained it and you still are disagreeing. And quite frankly, WotC disagrees with you as well.Maybe you should ask yourself why.It's not power creep. As the chart illustrates, it's game balance. WotC smoothed out the curve. The Cleric and Barbarian although they are supposed to get hit 5% less often than the Rogue (who did not take a feat to boost AC) get hit the same amount or even more often 13 levels out of 30 with the original rules. That's why WotC fixed it. Math 101.Hate when I do that:...[vs. same level foes]Rogue: 25 AC, foe hits on a 9 (60%)Barbarian: 27 AC, foe hits on a 11 (50%)Cleric: 27 AC, foe hits on a 11 (50%)Paladin: 30 AC, foe hits on a 14 (35%)...[vs. +1 level foes]Rogue: 25 AC, foe hits on a 8 (65%)Barbarian: 27 AC, foe hits on a 10 (55%)Cleric: 27 AC, foe hits on a 10 (55%)Paladin: 30 AC, foe hits on a 13 (40%)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4794731, member: 2011"] Why did you come here to discuss this? To argue? To justify to your players? Obviously, you are ignoring the math. Did you even look at the chart? Do you not see the heavy armor lag mid-Paragon levels? You are ignoring the fact that the Cleric took a feat to get Scale and hence should have a better AC than the Rogue. Did you make up your mind before you even wrote a single word? You don't appear to care that the Rogue that had a lesser AC than the Cleric at level 1 has a better AC at levels 14 and 15 with the original rules. And you sure as heck are not going to convince anyone else. Everyone who responded to you explained it and you still are disagreeing. And quite frankly, WotC disagrees with you as well. Maybe you should ask yourself why. It's not power creep. As the chart illustrates, it's game balance. WotC smoothed out the curve. The Cleric and Barbarian although they are supposed to get hit 5% less often than the Rogue (who did not take a feat to boost AC) get hit the same amount or even more often 13 levels out of 30 with the original rules. That's why WotC fixed it. Math 101. Hate when I do that: ...[vs. same level foes] Rogue: 25 AC, foe hits on a 9 (60%) Barbarian: 27 AC, foe hits on a 11 (50%) Cleric: 27 AC, foe hits on a 11 (50%) Paladin: 30 AC, foe hits on a 14 (35%) ...[vs. +1 level foes] Rogue: 25 AC, foe hits on a 8 (65%) Barbarian: 27 AC, foe hits on a 10 (55%) Cleric: 27 AC, foe hits on a 10 (55%) Paladin: 30 AC, foe hits on a 13 (40%) [/QUOTE]

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