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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9371244" data-attributes="member: 63508">I think the core issue is people only think there are 2 options1) The Old School/5e method.  State only a few noncombat skill checks and tell DMs & Adventure Writers to make up 95% of checks from thin air.or 2) The 3e/PF method Create a very very long list of official checks and pressure DMs & Adventure Writers to adhere to the listAnd everyone ignore the other option3)  The Third option. Create a short list of  common checks in the game and give  DMs & Adventure Writers a list of numbers for DCs per level or tier of Easy, Moderate and Hard Checks.Treat non-combat as something every PC does and just have the rogue and the other skills classses have the option of going either wider or taller than others. The 2024 version is heading in that direction with martial all getting skill bonus. We can only hope for a DC by Tier table and Actual Sample DCs on a Table.</blockquote>