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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9372581" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, so a level 11 Thief Rogue can easily solo a CR 14 Adult Black Dragon, CR 16 Adult Blue Dragon, and then needs some dice luck for a CR 17 Adult Red Dragon. And sure, they have a Passive 23, but that just means the Rogue needs to roll higher than an 11 on the Stealth roll... and really they only need to do that once depending on how the passive perception vs active perception gets ruled. And does the flight speed matter? Again, it depends on the environment. If the dragon needs to fly higher than 60 ft, then the blindsight is canceled. And if they fly past the rogue, searching for the rogue, then they aren't eating the rogue's face.Also, at the end of the day, you are arguing that a Rogue who cannot stealth is going to struggle in a solo 1v1 fight. Since when is this a surprise? Since when have we expected Rogues to be toe-to-toe, face-to-face fighters who focus on high armor and defense? Comparatively, this rogue build can handle an arbitrarily high number of Fire Giants, while the Monk is going to struggle taking down 10 Fire Giants since twenty attacks a turn bypass their single attack deflection.</blockquote>