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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9376573" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I think the finesse weapons mechanic is much better than the similar mechanics in previous editions.  I don't see how it is messed up.I also think Two-weapon fighters are perfectly fine and in fact one of the strongest fighting styles if you optimize around it.  Dex-based fighters are fine too (but are a different thing than TWF).At 6th level point buy small size strength-based fighter on a wardog or similar can do 3d12+15 with two-weapon fighting style, dual wielding feat and two Lances and can sport a 19AC while doing it.  That beats PAM by 6 DPR at the same level.  If they waste attacks to kill your dog, climb on the back of another medium-sized PC and keep going.  Worst case, if you get stuck on the ground with no one around you pull out battleaxes or morning stars and do 3d8+15 which is still the same as a PAM fighter is doing, while having many more magic weapon options.Now a dex-based fighter can't do that, but people on here rightly piont out that a dex-based fighter are much more powerful than strength-based fighters, generally so losing some melee damage to be all around a better PC is not a bad thing IMO.</blockquote>