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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8790093" data-attributes="member: 53980">I'll grant you it's an easier comparison (more 1:1).Still, if you compare the fighter and the wizard, the fighter has both less versatility and less raw power.Many have argued that the fighter makes up for it with staying power. That (at least in combat) a fighter can overtake the wizard in power after x rounds of combat (typically an assumed average derived from approximately 7 encounters).Based on the campaigns that I have participated in, where this analysis falls short is in assuming effectively infinite HP for the fighter. Unlike the wizard, who can still be highly effective even at 1 HP as long as they have spell slots remaining, fighters tend to have significant reliance on their HP. This is because the classical strength based fighter is a front-line fighter who tends to get hit (and crit) fairly often, especially at high levels when the protection provided by AC falls off. A classical fighter whose HP is exhausted will typically be forced into the back line using thrown weapons, meaning only one attack per round (and sometimes without so much as a magic weapon to use). I've seen this happen many times, and it stinks. If you have a healer with deep reserves (a life or twilight cleric, for example) this can be mitigated significantly, but that's an outside factor that can't be relied upon at every table.</blockquote>