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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8790506" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>He does stop Darkseid though, on multiple occasions, or at <em>least</em> frustrate him, which for such a massive <em>literally godlike</em> villain is an actual feat. He specifically says in he DCAU that no one has ever evaded his Omega Beam, meaning Batman achieved something literally no one else has ever done. (This is immediately before the deservedly famous "world of cardboard" speech from Superman.) Then, later on in the DCAU when Darkseid is up to his usual tricks but with Kara instead of Clark, Batman's <em>intelligence</em> (and, to a certain extent, Darkseid's belief that the human Batman is capable of ruthlessness that Diana and Clark are not) is what saves the day and defeats Darkseid; the physical power and ability to resist Darkseid's assaults pales in comparison.</p><p></p><p>So even here, at least depending on medium, Batman holds his own. He does so by changing the rules of the game. In the former case, he knows he can't directly <em>stop</em> Darkseid but he can distract and slow him while the others get their own work done. "That man won't quit as long as he can draw a breath. None of my teammates will." Evading the Omega Beam is a neat, canned example of him changing the rules by running just long enough to get a sacrificial enemy (a Parademon mook, in this case) to take the hit in his place. Defeating Darkseid in the latter case involved being smart enough to hack through Darkseid's security protocols protecting Apokolips' supplies of WMDs...and programming them to all go off simultaneously unless Batman countermands the order.</p><p></p><p>There are some other cases which involve actual <em>combat</em> victories, but those are from comics I haven't read (and usually involve some kind of special weapon that exploits a weakness <em>a la</em> kryptonite or a fancy power suit that bridges the power gap.) But it's worth noting that Batman is one of only three superheroes Darkseid actually plots around and against, the other two being Superman and Wonder Woman. And according to at least one comic run I've heard about, it was <em>Batman</em> that Darkseid tried to clone into an army to serve him, not Clark or Diana. That, likewise, seems a particular mark of respect or even admiration.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8790506, member: 6790260"] He does stop Darkseid though, on multiple occasions, or at [I]least[/I] frustrate him, which for such a massive [I]literally godlike[/I] villain is an actual feat. He specifically says in he DCAU that no one has ever evaded his Omega Beam, meaning Batman achieved something literally no one else has ever done. (This is immediately before the deservedly famous "world of cardboard" speech from Superman.) Then, later on in the DCAU when Darkseid is up to his usual tricks but with Kara instead of Clark, Batman's [I]intelligence[/I] (and, to a certain extent, Darkseid's belief that the human Batman is capable of ruthlessness that Diana and Clark are not) is what saves the day and defeats Darkseid; the physical power and ability to resist Darkseid's assaults pales in comparison. So even here, at least depending on medium, Batman holds his own. He does so by changing the rules of the game. In the former case, he knows he can't directly [I]stop[/I] Darkseid but he can distract and slow him while the others get their own work done. "That man won't quit as long as he can draw a breath. None of my teammates will." Evading the Omega Beam is a neat, canned example of him changing the rules by running just long enough to get a sacrificial enemy (a Parademon mook, in this case) to take the hit in his place. Defeating Darkseid in the latter case involved being smart enough to hack through Darkseid's security protocols protecting Apokolips' supplies of WMDs...and programming them to all go off simultaneously unless Batman countermands the order. There are some other cases which involve actual [I]combat[/I] victories, but those are from comics I haven't read (and usually involve some kind of special weapon that exploits a weakness [I]a la[/I] kryptonite or a fancy power suit that bridges the power gap.) But it's worth noting that Batman is one of only three superheroes Darkseid actually plots around and against, the other two being Superman and Wonder Woman. And according to at least one comic run I've heard about, it was [I]Batman[/I] that Darkseid tried to clone into an army to serve him, not Clark or Diana. That, likewise, seems a particular mark of respect or even admiration. [/QUOTE]
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