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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8790696" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>I have not run a newbie game in 2 1/2 years so <em>MAYBE </em>it's different with newer players, but in my experience 7 out of 10 people excited to roll up a fighter in a newbie character will not be playing that character come 5th level. Some trade out for casters (half or otherwise) some just stop playing... the number 1 reason given is "I don't have the options X does" where X is almost always a wizard cleric bard or warlock with melee capability. </p><p></p><p>From 2014-2016 I ran about a dozen 'starter' games and in 2017 and 2018 I ran 4 starter campaigns. all in all about 50ish brand new players and 10-12 returning from 2e (or older) players and 3 people who had played some but not a lot of 5e, and 1 forever DM from 4e and 5e who had never been a player. Only people happy with the fighter where returning vets from 1e or 2e who already knew what to expect.</p><p></p><p>in 2 of the 2017/18 campaigns I had brand new players who had 0 idea of what D&D really was like quit playing and go to try other systems entirely 1 because of fighter and 1 because of ranger.</p><p></p><p>Durring the 17/18 years there were 2 other DMs running at the same store I was trying to support, 1 other trying to be newbie friendly, and they both ran into similar issues. </p><p></p><p>in all my time running 5e only 1 time can I say someone stopped playing a caster because it was too complex, and even then they moved to a half caster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8790696, member: 67338"] I have not run a newbie game in 2 1/2 years so [I]MAYBE [/I]it's different with newer players, but in my experience 7 out of 10 people excited to roll up a fighter in a newbie character will not be playing that character come 5th level. Some trade out for casters (half or otherwise) some just stop playing... the number 1 reason given is "I don't have the options X does" where X is almost always a wizard cleric bard or warlock with melee capability. From 2014-2016 I ran about a dozen 'starter' games and in 2017 and 2018 I ran 4 starter campaigns. all in all about 50ish brand new players and 10-12 returning from 2e (or older) players and 3 people who had played some but not a lot of 5e, and 1 forever DM from 4e and 5e who had never been a player. Only people happy with the fighter where returning vets from 1e or 2e who already knew what to expect. in 2 of the 2017/18 campaigns I had brand new players who had 0 idea of what D&D really was like quit playing and go to try other systems entirely 1 because of fighter and 1 because of ranger. Durring the 17/18 years there were 2 other DMs running at the same store I was trying to support, 1 other trying to be newbie friendly, and they both ran into similar issues. in all my time running 5e only 1 time can I say someone stopped playing a caster because it was too complex, and even then they moved to a half caster. [/QUOTE]
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