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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8791475" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Right, think about this in context for a moment. The goal of the adventure is to the kill the BBEG. And one player's most impressive feat is "I survived a single attack from him!" I don't care that no one else has dodged them. Superman, Wonderwoman, Shazam? They all took the beams head-on and lived. Green Lantern has stopped them with his ring. And then they ACTUALLY HIT DARKSEID. Batman threw a smoke bomb, dodged a single attack, and the entire point was to buy the second needed for Superman to enter the fight and take over. That isn't how equals fight.Looked this up, because the context made no sense. In what world does Darkseid get defeated because a guy with a code to never kill is "too ruthless" Well, it starts with them being on Apokalipse, not Earth. Then it continues with a fairly standard Deus Ex Machina. Batman has activated Darkseid's weapons in a move that could destroy the entire planet, and won't disarm them until Darkseid admits defeat. That's just comic book writing, frankly. The Hell Spores defeated Darkseid, Batman was just able to gain access to them because Darkseid didn't bother to try and fight Batman, and Batman was able to break a simple encryption. Again, this says nothing about Batman's ability to FIGHT Darkseid, because he can't. This is the closest he can come, and it was a suicide pact using Darkseid's own stockpile of planet-destroying weaponry.But again, you seem to miss the point. I never said "Batman can't act as a distraction", I never said "Batman can't activate Darkseid's own bombs to destroy the planet they are on" I said "Batman can't fight Darkseid" And really, unless you depower Darkseid (as is done in some of the shows) he can't. All of his "powers" of wealth and connection can't close that gap. He doesn't have the strength, speed, or durability to actually fight the enemy. And what happens to Batman if Darkseid nukes Gotham? Batman is nuked. He can't survive a nuke, unless he spots it in time to reach an anti-nuclear bunker. Darkseid plans around Batman, because Batman is smart, and can therefore give plans to Superman and Wonder Woman to carry out. But he cannot fight Darkseid toe to toe. Batman's Powers are only useful if they are MADE useful. Meanwhile, it is incredibly difficult to put a character like Zatana (warp reality) or Superman (massive suite of abilities) into a situation where they cannot use their powers to contribute.</blockquote>

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