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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8791793" data-attributes="member: 67338">I didn't watch it (maybe when it came out I did) I read the book, and he clearly goes in and punches stating a fight...like that is batmans power 'pull BS out of belt'nth metal knuckle covers... of some new god tech (maybe he has a mother box in there)wait the batcave that has things that beat the JLA... that batcave?there is no such thing as normal... it depends on the story he ALWAYS has what he needs to win.the same as the fighter should beso are you skipping the scans I showed?  how about the time that superman was mind contoled to think batman was doomsday he went all out thinking he was hitting doomsday, and even when batman went down he lived through FULL POWER SUPERMAN PUNCHES...scan from a JL issue or cross over issue please.How about when Harley hits wonder woman and she feels it.that's my point... he survives what ever you throw at himyet he has durability feats like tanking darkseid fighting wonder woman and surviving a full power kill ready kryptonianafter he survived the fight were superman Green lantern flash and wonder woman were captured.cause the team lost a fight and he was the one to be able to still be active.you do realize that batman is the rogue, the monk and/or the warlord... the fighter fighter Ranger other monk and sorcerer were down...how does a barbarian survive getting hit 3 times by a giants axe... HP aka plot armorhe do a quest to find it... 1 of those he litterally just pick up off panel. His ability to always be prepared and always have the right tool for the job.yesbut he did... you don't get to argue he didn't. So YES batman is good enough to land a blow that hurts someone that is able to have a mountain thrown at her... and he does so without powers.  That is the story. The Rogue/Monk/Fighter multi class went up with 0 prep and 0 magic items and kicked the god knocking the wind out of her... and in other scans knocks her out or boxes her ears... He DOES this without powers or upgrades... that is peak human in that world (yes very fantasy world)but it happened so many times that I had multi scans... just him beating wonder woman we have 3 examples. again, that is what he does he wins.sure it is... the 4 are a team a blaster a stealth/defender a thinker/planner with limited power and a big bruiser...  they can and do fight things way lower CR (mole man looking at you) and equal CR solos (hi doom) and WAY higher CR (annilas and molecule man) and sometimes they run into something they can't just fight (here is galactus) and they need to go get the ring to mt doom... wait I mean ultimate nullifier. citation needed... the Nullifier is used by will power and can destroy entire sections of reality... how did the 5 year old manage this feat?right... but it is 1 story of that... remember the time they locked him away, or the time they killed him (my favorite was having him feed on hyperstorm and locking both away)In DnD terms on there 10th or 11th adventure after leveling up fighting monsters and Dr Doom (yes and mole man) they found that Orcus was the main villian of a new adventure, and they could not handle him head on but the DM gave them a side quest that allowed them to stop Orcus...</blockquote>

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