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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8793105" data-attributes="member: 67338">no I propose that we take the idea that level should be all that matters in team ups and 99.999999% of DnD is the team up.if you ignore batman solo adventures and just look at his JLA adventures there IS consestancy.If you ignore batman JLA adventrues you are ignoreing the part that is like D&D (small squad of adventurerers)but up until now people have taken superman solo adventures and batman solo adventures and put them against each other... but again you need the JLA were they all are equals.my suggestion is this, if a 11th level character can 1/day use a 6th level spell then all of the 6th level spells show what is balanced for an 11th level character to do... either tone down the 6th level spells (not likely) or upgrade what fighter, monk, rogue and barbarian can do at 11th level.no it wouldn't... you would choose (My choice is by level) if they have the ring of at will 9th level spells or not. but you would keep it across all characters.  You can't have 1 character (Green Lantern in this case) have the option of at will 9th level spells while others don't have that option.That is NOT what I am saying or showing.  I am saying that they SHOULD be balanced by the creators of the games not the DMsand I am not asking for there to be.right and we balance them by level... a 16th level fighter should have the option to be as powerful and as game changing as a 16th level cleric of war, or a 16th level (3rd artificer (battlesmith) 13th wizard (bladesinger)) or a 16th level diviner.  the important part of power and options should be LEVEL... now they should be flavored for class.right but your arguement that someone should be street level batman getting KOed by a knife while someone else is fist fighting mongal or a god is BS... cause when batman is IN THOSE STORIES a knife is not KOing him, it wont even be close.there is no part of this argument that is DM based it is WotC that needs to balance the game not DMsnotice Jimmy Olsen and even the Question do not rutenly work with the group of gods known as the JLA.  You now want 2 people playing VERY diffrent games and that is BS... keep to the JLA batman and it IS consistent, YOU make it inconsistant when you bring up his SOLO adventrues.NO! again this is a YOU thing. the batman of JLA is NOT threatened by a thug with a gun he takes on multiversal threats.  Batman of the JLA is a 17th+ level character with other 17th+ level characters facing down 17+ CR problems.Batman in solo adventures is a 5th level character (I would say monk 2 rouge 3) facing CR 4-7 challanges.right but the important part is 20th level.right now today with no DM fiat the 20th level fighter is NOT a threat to Orcus at all.GOrdon is an NPC... you can't stab and kill batman in his sleep either (and I doubt other then house rules you can stab and kill any 4th level or higher PC either without pulling out some crazy level assassin)it is consistant that batman CAN EQUAL THE JLA...I don't even know where you get this from... level matters and in team ups they are all the same level.so if batman is level 3 superman is level 3.  If superman is level 17 batman is level 17.if they are equal level to each other and in the CR range for Darkseid there class abilities should be able to contribute.HP are plot armor, until you run out you are perfectly fineno YOU are,Your 18th level fighter SHOULD have equal and thematic abilities to fit your class/concept with an 18th level archmage... yes that is the point. It doesn't have to be magic.  Batman doesn't have super powers but his NON POWERED self can keep up with the fastest man alive, a demi god the last sun of krypton and an person with the ring of 'thy will be done'Yes, it sounds like a system where the whole group gets to be equalsIf you are a fire fighter in gotham that regualarly works with the JLA you should be equal level and power to the JLA</blockquote>

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