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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8793590" data-attributes="member: 67338">My favorite comic characters are not big name ones... my top 2 across any company are Booster Gold and Blue Beetle (ted kord). Back in the 90's they were part of a JLA that was VERY diffrent. Superman was technically on the team (replacing Martian manhunter*) but he was almost never aroundBloodwynd* was a superman light character but had some cool necromancy powersMaxima was strong could fly like superman but mostly was a red headed telepath with TelekinesisFire was basicly a pallet swap human torchIce was basicly a less powerful icemanGuy Gardner traded his green ring for a yellow one that had a habit of breaking down and had undefined rules.and my boys Booster and Beetle.this group on paper MAY look like it could be the big 7 in power level but really it couldn't... and the big show is how different they handle the death of superman in the new animated with the JLA being the big 7, and how it was handled in the 90s with these characters.Doomsday blinded guy gardner by beating him THROUGH his ring shield. Doomsday broke Ice's armDoomsday pulled shenanigans on BloodwyndFire ran out of fire fighting Doomsdaythen my boys... Booster's suit was riped and destroyed and like Iron Man his powers were his suit... Blue Beetle got almost killed and put in a comma.Now Blue Beetle has 0 power. He isn't even as cool trained as batman. In solo adventures Blue Beetle acted like batman but with spiderman's sense of humor. (so basic nightwing). When in the team though he didn't get brought up to superman, he got brought up to fire, ice and booster.  So yeah, he survives being manhandled and punched and thrown by doomsday (who can hurt superman) but just hanging on by a string to life...In the new more modern version batman IS there... doomsday doesn't do anything to him (that I recall) but make him winded.  Both stories end with superman making a final stand.BUT when blue beetle is a 'normal guy in no armor' fights doomsday he does nothing and he gets pasted but survives. When batman in teh exact same situation does the fight he holds doomsday off, and keeps up with every non superman on the field... common sense says both get 1 shotted no effort, doomsday just kills them... and if they appeared in Blue Beetle #7 or Detective comics #687 I would say "yeah, these heroes are boned" but that isn't where doomsday appears... its in JLA, and as such Blue Beetle with no armor and just a strong will tanks a few hits and goes down, and batman is able to dodge and weave around someone fast enough to tag flash and hitting hard enough to hurt superman and wonder woman. When team ups happen everyone has to be on the same level. In D&D a 3rd level fighter and a 3rd level wizard make sense.  BUT a 15th level wizard and 15th level fighter doesn't...</blockquote>

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