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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8794769" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Yes. Do you want my evidence? Since DnD first came out near 50 years ago the idea has been that the team of PCs are at least close to equal, with normal people who can do amazing things, and we still have not been able to fix this disparity. Because we insist the fighter is "a normal man" and therefore we invite the Guy at the Gym fallacy all the time. No one bats an eye at The Hulk smashing through a magical barrier of force with his bare fists, but a Barbarian can't do that, because the Barbarian is just "a normal man" with no special magical powers (and many people complain that the Barbarian even now has TOO MANY magical powers). If we drop the facade, and just admit that at a certain level, these people are not "normal men and women" then we can actually start matching feats from myth and legend. For instance, why not have a fighter able to destroy stone with a dual-wielding maul and carve a tunnel through a mountain in a single day? John Henry did it, and while John Henry wasn't a normal man, he certainly was a heroic man. My problem with Ex and Sn is that it gets into a fundamental problem with DnD. Trying to define magic and "not-magic" I think this was really highlighted a few years ago with the Sage Advice on why you can't counterspell dragon's breath. Is dragon's breath magical? Most certainly, but it isn't magical in a way that can be dispelled or counterspelled, because that only works on spells. The explanation of "background magical radiation" is a bit of handwavium, but it fundamentally works, because it acknowledges that a lot of stuff in Fantasy is just magical, and that magic is as natural as the air or the water. Whether or not ignoring enemy resistance is magical or non-magical doesn't matter to me, you can do it, I don't need to try for this separation between the two forces, because then we are trying to define something that was never defined in the stories. But that narrative justification falls through. Which is a massive problem.</blockquote>

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