Messages to Gamers Stationed in Iraq

[DarkMaster]

I'm sorry piratecat are political posts now allowed on ENworld?
Because this is a political thread.. are you intending that the only messages allowed to be posted are happy cheery messages of hope and support that totally whitewash the fact that these soldiers are all commiting war crimes, by the very fact of their willfull participation in an illegal war of aggression, engineered by a corrupt political regime in Washington that is no longer concerned about even the appearance of legality when they go out to commit atrocities in the third world?

My only message to the US soldiers in Iraq is this: refuse to obey your orders. Right now. Don't shoot anyone, don't do anything to aid the US occupation. You are participating in an illegal war, and "just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse for violations of international law or the participation in crimes against humanity.

Nisarg

Your post is obviously political. Your post is simply based on your opinion. The thread is about supporting men and women abroad. Wether or not their cause is good or bad isn't relevant here.

You obviously posted a very political post hopping that this thread would get close. and that would serve your anti-war causes.

I don't like people who think that their "opinion" is the absolute and unquestionable thruth.

 

[Nisarg]

Your post is obviously political. Your post is simply based on your opinion. The thread is about supporting men and women abroad. Wether or not their cause is good or bad isn't relevant here.

You obviously posted a very political post hopping that this thread would get close. and that would serve your anti-war causes.

I don't like people who think that their "opinion" is the absolute and unquestionable thruth.

My post was a response to a political thread. The thread about "supporting men and women abroad" (I think you mean SOLDIERS, because I don't think this thread was for supporting random american tourists) is INHERENTLY political to someone who isn't on the side that supports this illegal war.

If you are saying anything to the troops other than "refuse to fight", then you are wishing them luck.. if you are wishing them to live, you are wishing an Iraqi dead. Whether you realize it or not, by supporting them, you are supporting this war of occupation and terror.

ENworld is not the place for a thread in "support of "our" troops" (they aren't my troops, aren't even my country). This kind of thread is inherently political, and if the admins allow it to be here it would imply ENworld inherently supports the American aggressions abroad, something that is a slap in the face to those of us from countries that suffered due to acts of American oppression, past or present; and an insult to any person who feels the injustice of this current administration in the US or abroad.

Or can we possibly start making threads of "support" for "our boys at Abu-gharib and Guantanamo, may Allah protect them?", or how about for "our boys on the streets in the anti-bush protests, may they not be tear gassed and beaten by cops"? Is that allowed? If not, why is it allowed to dedicate whole threads to writing best-wishes to people who are willingly being sent by the US government to go kill people in Iraq?

Nisarg

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Hey, Nisarg:

Go to Hell. Rot and roast there, please.

EDIT:

they aren't my troops, aren't even my country

Good. Then really shut up and go to Hell.

 

[dontpunkme]

Tav could you please include this message to our troops from me:

I would like to personally thank all of our soldiers (and their families), who are fighting in Iraq for the sacrifice they are making on behalf of America and the world. Words cannot describe the depth nor the breadth of my appreciation for all that you are doing. I sincerely hope this message finds you all safe and out of harm's way.

Warmest Regards,
Jim Rossi
Hamilton, NJ

To Nisarg,
I'm not going to post what would be my response to your post because to do so would most definately be a flagrant violation of the Eric's grandmother rule. However, I will state that you're post was extremely biased, childish, and downright insensitive. Encouraging our soldiers to disregard orders is treasonous. I just hope you remember that we are fighting this "illegal war" so that others from less priveleged societies can enjoy the same freedoms that allow you to post your opinions.

 

[BOZ]

here's a bit of advice for deaf ears:

if a post starts off as too political, the best thing to do is to not make it MORE political than it was.

the best thing to do would be either 1) bring your gripe directly to the original poster through PM or e-mail or some other means or 2) let a moderator know what's going on (or both 1 & 2).

 

[Nisarg]

To Nisarg,
I'm not going to post what would be my response to your post because to do so would most definately be a flagrant violation of the Eric's grandmother rule. However, I will state that you're post was extremely biased, childish, and downright insensitive. Encouraging our soldiers to disregard orders is treasonous. I just hope you remember that we are fighting this "illegal war" so that others from less priveleged societies can enjoy the same freedoms that allow you to post your opinions.

Those of us who live in the "Less privileged societies" of South America know all about the "freedoms" you like to bring to us poor backward countries. We know all about the Pinochet regime, put into power by the US, that killed thousands of innocent Chilean people. We know about the US backing of similar corrupt regimes in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, and almost every other country in South America. We know about El Salvador and the death squads you sponsored there. We know about the Contras, and how you bombed Panama because your man there wouldn't obey you.

Trust me, we know what American desires for "freedom" are: they mean death for innocents, so that you can implant your puppet regimes to protect your economic interests.

That's why this thread is so offensive to me. Because I had friends who had to leave everything and flee their country thanks to America's desire to "help" other countries. Friends who's parents were taken away in the middle of the night and never came back. An uncle who had to flee his own country because of the music he played. All thanks to the American love of "freedom".

So don't be too surprised that here in South America most of us cheer for the freedom fighters in Fallujah ("aguante Fallujah".. " Fallujah, resist", is a common protest chant here), and not for the US soldiers being sent to kill them. We save our prayers and well-wishes for Iraqi women and children, who's sons and fathers will be killed by American bullets. Can I start a thread in support of them?

Nisarg

 

[DarkMaster]

Nisarg, they aren't mine either. But if my wife, son or sister was doing something that I disaprove but they feel they should be proud of, I would give them my support because they are people I care about.

Behemoth might have friend and relatives there that he simply wants to support. If your best friend was fighting there would you support him, even if you don't approve his action?

 

[Piratecat]

Klunk.