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<blockquote data-quote="Sigurd" data-source="post: 2112864" data-attributes="member: 19412"><p>Absolutely, but IMHO modern Dungeons & Dragons (represented by D20) is a victem of its own popularity. Players look to publications, especially if they are 'official' to expand their game world without regard for the Dungeon Masters creation/responsibility. DM's don't want to be mean to their players and are certainly cowed by too many good ideas. The campaign world gets waterred down and looses interrelation/dependence. Instead of a struggle (like Tolkien's Middle Earth) you get an unbelievable supermarket of unrelated adventures all held in stasis till the players have a chance to get to them.</p><p></p><p>The setting has no gratitude for the characters because they are in a state of perpetual rework.</p><p></p><p>History is completely maleable as an 'ancient' ruin is dropped in on a moments notice. Another race or power is inflated when the players get strong enough & the game goes on like a pinball machine. There is nothing wrong with that if it makes people happy but it is the antithesis of tolkien where the story has been in the making for thousands of years and everything is related. </p><p></p><p>Earlier D&D is better on this score than recent but you can find the trend certainly in AD&D. As soon as TSR realised there were three times as many players as DM's they created more and cooler books for players. That isn't wrong but I think it is one of the defining thing about AD&D - more, more recent, more magic. You haven't seen nothin until you see what just came out!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Its a challenge for a DM. Rolemaster had one focus for its middle earth system and a different approach to magic that I find much more 'tolkienesque'. ymmv</p><p></p><p>S</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sigurd, post: 2112864, member: 19412"] Absolutely, but IMHO modern Dungeons & Dragons (represented by D20) is a victem of its own popularity. Players look to publications, especially if they are 'official' to expand their game world without regard for the Dungeon Masters creation/responsibility. DM's don't want to be mean to their players and are certainly cowed by too many good ideas. The campaign world gets waterred down and looses interrelation/dependence. Instead of a struggle (like Tolkien's Middle Earth) you get an unbelievable supermarket of unrelated adventures all held in stasis till the players have a chance to get to them. The setting has no gratitude for the characters because they are in a state of perpetual rework. History is completely maleable as an 'ancient' ruin is dropped in on a moments notice. Another race or power is inflated when the players get strong enough & the game goes on like a pinball machine. There is nothing wrong with that if it makes people happy but it is the antithesis of tolkien where the story has been in the making for thousands of years and everything is related. Earlier D&D is better on this score than recent but you can find the trend certainly in AD&D. As soon as TSR realised there were three times as many players as DM's they created more and cooler books for players. That isn't wrong but I think it is one of the defining thing about AD&D - more, more recent, more magic. You haven't seen nothin until you see what just came out! Its a challenge for a DM. Rolemaster had one focus for its middle earth system and a different approach to magic that I find much more 'tolkienesque'. ymmv S [/QUOTE]
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