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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2113210" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Well, before I dive even further off-topic, let me also call for making the material available again, even if it's just a zip archive, or text only, or what-have-you.</p><p></p><p>In fact, especially if it's text only. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>As for debating your correspondances, I can't yet, because you haven't provided any evidence that I can debate against. You simply state things like the knights of Dol Amroth had a French-like chivalric order, but offer nothing to support that, or that Laketown was a late medieval guild-like organization, or whatever (for what it's worth, I barely consider <em>The Hobbit</em> canon, because it was clearly written before Tolkien started taking that story-arc seriously, and he made a number of changes, mostly subtle, yet still powerful to change the tone of them) so I can't really say anything except what I did; that those are debatable assignments; and that I don't agree.</p><p></p><p>The hobbits themselves, though, maybe merit some more discussion, as they constitute a special case, IMO. Not only are they a deliberate "anachronism" as a literary device, as I stated earlier, they were also an unavoidable one, because hobbits were the stars of <em>The Hobbit</em>, which was not written with any mind towards being taken seriously, having follow-ups build on it, or linkages to the mythology of Middle-earth that he was already creating. He literally couldn't write <em>Lord of the Rings</em> without hobbits, since that was what people wanted to see in the sequel to <em>The Hobbit</em>. So, he did what he could to change the tone and eliminate some of the more fanciful, whimsical and inconsistent elements of <em>The Hobbit</em> even going so far as to release a new edited version with the whole Gollum chapter changed, but a number of other <em>Hobbit</em>isms were significantly downplayed. He also alluded several times to the idea that Bilbo was pretty naïve, and that anything he put in his book shouldn't be taken <em>too</em> seriously as a kind of back-door approach to any problems that <em>The Hobbit</em> might later cause him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 2113210, member: 2205"] Well, before I dive even further off-topic, let me also call for making the material available again, even if it's just a zip archive, or text only, or what-have-you. In fact, especially if it's text only. :) As for debating your correspondances, I can't yet, because you haven't provided any evidence that I can debate against. You simply state things like the knights of Dol Amroth had a French-like chivalric order, but offer nothing to support that, or that Laketown was a late medieval guild-like organization, or whatever (for what it's worth, I barely consider [i]The Hobbit[/i] canon, because it was clearly written before Tolkien started taking that story-arc seriously, and he made a number of changes, mostly subtle, yet still powerful to change the tone of them) so I can't really say anything except what I did; that those are debatable assignments; and that I don't agree. The hobbits themselves, though, maybe merit some more discussion, as they constitute a special case, IMO. Not only are they a deliberate "anachronism" as a literary device, as I stated earlier, they were also an unavoidable one, because hobbits were the stars of [i]The Hobbit[/i], which was not written with any mind towards being taken seriously, having follow-ups build on it, or linkages to the mythology of Middle-earth that he was already creating. He literally couldn't write [i]Lord of the Rings[/i] without hobbits, since that was what people wanted to see in the sequel to [i]The Hobbit[/i]. So, he did what he could to change the tone and eliminate some of the more fanciful, whimsical and inconsistent elements of [i]The Hobbit[/i] even going so far as to release a new edited version with the whole Gollum chapter changed, but a number of other [i]Hobbit[/i]isms were significantly downplayed. He also alluded several times to the idea that Bilbo was pretty naïve, and that anything he put in his book shouldn't be taken [i]too[/i] seriously as a kind of back-door approach to any problems that [i]The Hobbit[/i] might later cause him. [/QUOTE]
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