Jester David
Hero
Heh.
In the first page I said:
So it's funny to see him now drop:
Which was literally what I was talking about!
Also, while I'm dealing with that last post:
Page 246 of the Dungeon Master's Guise has object AC and the following page has object hp. A DM could rule that if the thunderwave would have dealt enough damage to have destroyed the objected, a creature could have been hurled through the wall. In this case, it'd be a large object (a 10ft x 10ft panel), possibly fragile since you said timber and not stone. Or halfway between fragile and resilient. So, if the attack does 15-20 damage, the demon goes through.
Alternatively, page 238 of the Dungeon Master's Guise gives a list of typical DCs, from very easy to nearly impossible. Which is exactly the same as page 42 of the 4e DMG. So. in this instance, you pick the DC of the Typical DCs table and make an Arcana check.
In the first page I said:
Prompting these replies from pemerton:By the nature of martial abilities, you don't need to define what is and is not possible. Because people generally have an idea. You just set the limits (how much you can lift, how far you can jump) and people can extrapolate and fill in the blanks.
andI really don't see much evidence in the history of RPGs that this way of approaching it provides dynamic and capable "martial" characters.
You're foucsing on the fiction. I'm focusing on the gameplay.
So it's funny to see him now drop:
Actually, 4e does have a rule for everything that is not a combat challenge:
(1) work out whether or not the action is possible (given considerations of genrre, tier, PC capability from the point of view of the fiction, etc);
Which was literally what I was talking about!
Also, while I'm dealing with that last post:
There's probably two ways to adjudicate that.But there is also a very robust set of improvisation rules.
What's the DC to blow a demon through a timber wall using Thunderwave? AD&D doesn't tell me. 5e doesn't tell me. 4e does - pick the DC of the DC-by-level table and make an Arcana check.
Page 246 of the Dungeon Master's Guise has object AC and the following page has object hp. A DM could rule that if the thunderwave would have dealt enough damage to have destroyed the objected, a creature could have been hurled through the wall. In this case, it'd be a large object (a 10ft x 10ft panel), possibly fragile since you said timber and not stone. Or halfway between fragile and resilient. So, if the attack does 15-20 damage, the demon goes through.
Alternatively, page 238 of the Dungeon Master's Guise gives a list of typical DCs, from very easy to nearly impossible. Which is exactly the same as page 42 of the 4e DMG. So. in this instance, you pick the DC of the Typical DCs table and make an Arcana check.