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Mike Mearls on how D&D 4E could have looked
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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7763965" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>Yet you still don't answer my point; and continue making the same mistake. "No hope of success" does not make an action declaraction non-permissible. It makes it pointless, perhaps, but that's way different from permissible.</p><p> </p><p>Let's try an example:</p><p></p><p>Situation: party of low-level PCs outside on a clear and peaceful night. Nobody has powers of flight or anything else that can unduly get and keep them off the ground.</p><p>Me-as-player: "Hmmm...I wonder what's on the moon. I'm going to jump up there and find out."</p><p>DM, smiling: "Yeah, not a chance. Your jump puts you back on the ground about where you started."</p><p></p><p>Is that allowed as an (attempted) action declaration even though it has no hope of success? Or am I-as-player outright banned from even saying it? Because that's what 'permissible' means: if an action declaration isn't permissible (i.e. allowed, i.e. permitted) then it's banned.</p><p></p><p>And banning outlandish or even ridiculous action declarations is the fast track to stifling all creativity out of your players.</p><p></p><p>If the heat slags your metal armour that means you've failed your save, not passed it; and you're already getting good and toasted. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Why not make them consistent in all the many ways where we can, though, and then overlay magic effects on top somehow? It's not that hard.</p><p></p><p>True, though it's still going to take some magic for that Fighter not to burn her hands off when she sticks 'em in the forge: a fine example of how overlaying magic onto Earth-like physics gives a believable and consistent result.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7763965, member: 29398"] Yet you still don't answer my point; and continue making the same mistake. "No hope of success" does not make an action declaraction non-permissible. It makes it pointless, perhaps, but that's way different from permissible. Let's try an example: Situation: party of low-level PCs outside on a clear and peaceful night. Nobody has powers of flight or anything else that can unduly get and keep them off the ground. Me-as-player: "Hmmm...I wonder what's on the moon. I'm going to jump up there and find out." DM, smiling: "Yeah, not a chance. Your jump puts you back on the ground about where you started." Is that allowed as an (attempted) action declaration even though it has no hope of success? Or am I-as-player outright banned from even saying it? Because that's what 'permissible' means: if an action declaration isn't permissible (i.e. allowed, i.e. permitted) then it's banned. And banning outlandish or even ridiculous action declarations is the fast track to stifling all creativity out of your players. If the heat slags your metal armour that means you've failed your save, not passed it; and you're already getting good and toasted. :) Why not make them consistent in all the many ways where we can, though, and then overlay magic effects on top somehow? It's not that hard. True, though it's still going to take some magic for that Fighter not to burn her hands off when she sticks 'em in the forge: a fine example of how overlaying magic onto Earth-like physics gives a believable and consistent result. [/QUOTE]
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