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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 7764266" data-attributes="member: 12749">Nope. There are a ton of Epic Destinies that are simply 'you are better because of this'.Mechanics, sure. Just as all kinds of other things. But it doesn't redefine the story of realism — namely that most cases of dying in D&D are not dying at all, but merely that the PC is unable to act. Which is why when they get back up and fight as if they weren't just gushing blood, it is 'realistic'.I've literally played hundreds of games of 4e. I've never played Epic. I don't really have a lot of desire to play it either. I'd guess that's probably true for 99% of groups out there for roughly the same reasons no one plays much of level 15+ of the other editions. If someone is not playing 4e because of Epic play, that's along the lines of not playing 5e because 9th level spells exist and Wish is really poorly written given things such as Leomund's Tiny Hut and Simulacrum exist.Yes. Pemerton is not telling you how to play your table. He is saying what works for his and how 4e in particular supports what he wants to see.No, you don't have to use Epic Destinies. You will still gain new feats and powers. You don't even have to use Paragon Paths. There are tons of incentives to take them within game, but game still functions without them.</blockquote>