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Mike Mearls on how D&D 4E could have looked
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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7764707" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>[MENTION=6780330]Parmandur[/MENTION] was responding to [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] mentioning some particular tools - anti-magic zones and spellbook issues. Here is [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION]'s post:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>And here is [MENTION=6780330]Parmandur[/MENTION]'s reply to <em>those words</em>:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>There is only one possible reading of this: Parmandur things that it is <em>literally</em> the GM's job to deploy anti-magic zones and spellbook-stealing thieves and other similar devices that block the use of spells by the player of a high-level wizard.</p><p></p><p>Is this based on your actual play experience?</p><p></p><p>(1) Not all casters in 4e have ritual casting.</p><p></p><p>(2) I have played a fair bit of 4e. I have posted a lot of actual play reports. One repeated element in replies to those posts is that rituals are a much bigger part of my game than their experience of 4e. And I can report that it is simply not tue that ritual casting means that the invoker/wizard in my 4e game is more effective at non-combat scenarios than other PCs.</p><p></p><p>So, to be clear: you think that 4e doesn't play any differently from 5e - except that it does?</p><p></p><p>You think that there is no difference between the way DCs are set in 4e (DC-by-level) and 5e (GM chooses a DC from a list; bounded accuracy) - except that there is?</p><p></p><p>I've posted what I think the difference is, and how it manifests in play. You and [MENTION=6780330]Parmandur[/MENTION] and others disagree - but you also think that 4e plays differently from 5e. Is it the case that's those who prefer 5e to 4e are allowed to articulate what's different, but those with the opposite preference are not? I frankly don't know what you guys are trying to show, because every time someone who prefers 4e to 5e articulates the differences that underpin that preference, you tell them they're wrong! What's your theory of the difference? If there's no difference, why do you prefer 5e?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7764707, member: 42582"] [MENTION=6780330]Parmandur[/MENTION] was responding to [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] mentioning some particular tools - anti-magic zones and spellbook issues. Here is [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION]'s post: [indent][/indent] And here is [MENTION=6780330]Parmandur[/MENTION]'s reply to [I]those words[/I]: [indent][/indent] There is only one possible reading of this: Parmandur things that it is [I]literally[/I] the GM's job to deploy anti-magic zones and spellbook-stealing thieves and other similar devices that block the use of spells by the player of a high-level wizard. Is this based on your actual play experience? (1) Not all casters in 4e have ritual casting. (2) I have played a fair bit of 4e. I have posted a lot of actual play reports. One repeated element in replies to those posts is that rituals are a much bigger part of my game than their experience of 4e. And I can report that it is simply not tue that ritual casting means that the invoker/wizard in my 4e game is more effective at non-combat scenarios than other PCs. So, to be clear: you think that 4e doesn't play any differently from 5e - except that it does? You think that there is no difference between the way DCs are set in 4e (DC-by-level) and 5e (GM chooses a DC from a list; bounded accuracy) - except that there is? I've posted what I think the difference is, and how it manifests in play. You and [MENTION=6780330]Parmandur[/MENTION] and others disagree - but you also think that 4e plays differently from 5e. Is it the case that's those who prefer 5e to 4e are allowed to articulate what's different, but those with the opposite preference are not? I frankly don't know what you guys are trying to show, because every time someone who prefers 4e to 5e articulates the differences that underpin that preference, you tell them they're wrong! What's your theory of the difference? If there's no difference, why do you prefer 5e? [/QUOTE]
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