D&D General Mike Mearls says control spells are ruining 5th Edition

[Zardnaar]

BoED/BoVD was products of their time. When people talk about how kiddy friendly D&D has become, I remind them what WotC looks like when they try to go edgy.

(I also lump the 3pp Book of Erotic Fantasy in this as the trifecta of tryhard.)

Go check out what BoCD is going for nowadays.

Still got my copy lol.

 

[Maxperson]

Isn't that basically what 5e did? Xanathar introduced updated encounter, treasure, and downtime rules. Tasha's gave patches to the base classes and new species rules. Monsters of the Multiverse revised every species except a handful and redid two books worth of monsters. Every background since Styrixhaven had a level 1 feat. 2024 went back and took the best of that and made it Core.

And people call it a new edition (or half edition).

You seem to be conflating what @mearls seems to be saying, aka Xanathar's, Tasha's, etc. with 5.5e which are the new changes to the core books, some of which seem to have been changed for the sake of changing enough to get people to buy the new books.

 

[Remathilis]

Go check out what BoCD is going for nowadays.

Still got my copy lol.

BoCD? Is that a fourth edgelord book?

 

[Mort]

BoCD? Is that a fourth edgelord book?

I'm assuming he means BoVD (Book of Vile Darkness). Was a bit surprised at how much above initial retail the copies are going for on ebay!

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm assuming he means BoVD (Book of Vile Darkness). Was a bit surprised at how much above initial retail the copies are going for on ebay!

Yeah i was looking at getting some 3.5 books to flesh out the collections.

Tyrants of 9 Hells, Hordes of the Abyss. Ok bit pricey own them already.

BoVD and MMIV and V yikes.

 

[NotAYakk]

How about replacing Legendary Resists with "Get +X bonus to a save in exchange for a level of exhaustion" (which is now -1 on all d20 checks).

This is a real cost.

Second, add "on a successful save" effects on spells, even if it is only damage.

Level 1-2: 2-5 damage on a successful save
Level 3-5: 10-20 damage on a successful save
Level 6-7: Something like -1d6 to your next save of some type even on a successful save
Level 7-8: Lesser status effect (move halved, can take an action or a bonus action)
Level 9: Still a nasty status effect (ie, save or die, on success, stunned save ends, on stun success, staggered).

Now passing a save isn't a "you did nothing". Level 6+ spells (which spellcasters have limited slots) cause guaranteed problems and never do nothing.

And using a resist to save is a serious choice for a monster; sometimes they should just suck it up.

 

[Minigiant]

No, you have very specific said you believe that 5e was designed with assumption 3RD PARTY PUBLISHERS will be the ones providing additional rules, not WotC. Which you still have not provided proof of and, quite frnakly, if the quotes you claim to have say what you said later they say, they directly contradict this claim. Quoting you again as evidence:

That's what I said

I said that my belief based on what I've heard in interviews and articles was that 5e was designed with open space so that DMs and third party publishers could design modules which can be slotted into that open space to provide different kinds of feels

Third party publishers = 3PP

 

[Not a Decepticon]

That's what I said


Third party publishers = 3PP

Yes, but you later changed that claim to this:

5e was designed to go back to the traditional feel of D&D but have room for all these optional opt in modules and variants for different fandoms who wanted different feels.

Which is a VERY DIFFERENT STATEMENT

 

[Minigiant]

Which is a VERY DIFFERENT STATEMENT

The different fandoms are served commercially by 3PP.

EDIT: The designers stated that 5e was going on a slower leaner release schedule. This is further proof that they planned to lean on 3PP for modules and variants.

DM's Guild is another

 

[Not a Decepticon]

EDIT: The designers stated that 5e was going on a slower leaner release schedule. This is further proof that they planned to lean on 3PP for modules and variants.

1. No, you are making assumptions and claiming them as proof.
2. Unless you are going to provide the actual quotes, I would you refrain of making claims what designers did or did not say.

The different fandoms are served commercially by 3PP.

No, there is a very much a difference of what the statement that 5e was designed with clear intent to ADD more rules later and with one that it was designed with clear intent to OUTSORCE THIS TO 3RD PARTY. You made the latter statemend and tried to change it when given pushback on it and request to provide evidence.