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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7674186" data-attributes="member: 996">True.  And Pathfinder isn't D&D 3.25, is it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />No to both:  Essentials got it's ass kicked by Pathfinder on release (for one quarter), while the earlier release of Pathfinder didn't beat the 4e supplements it was up against, which were reputedly under-performing the 4e release dramatically.  So, by inference, Essentials did pretty badly.  And, Essentials only lasted 2 years - unless you want to give it credit for lingering on store shelves, with no new books, while Next was developed & playtested.  Really, the Essentials form factor was abandoned immediately, with HoS and later books published in the usual hardcover format, and they pulled back slightly from the Essentials design philosophy, after HoS, as well.  So even two years is kinda pushing it.  During that time, though, D&D went back to out-selling Pathfinder.  Until it stopped putting out new books, then it lagged (publishing nothing new but staying #2) until 5e came roaring back.It'll be interesting to see how 5.5 goes.... Veteran's armor was profoundly broken before the errata, profoundly nerfed afterwards.  Fairly typical of 'update' style errata, really, and, IMHO, indicative of a cynical formula:  sell a book with a few (or more than a few) broken bits that powergamers will salivate over.  Wait a little while, then cut those bits out from under them with an update that nerfs 'em.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Essentials moved away from frequent updates, and left more broken stuff in longer.</blockquote>

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