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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7674389" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I didn't say that's that they were trying to do, I just said that it sometimes appears that way. And you DO have to admit that they've often done their damnedest to find some totally perverse way to shoot themselves in the foot.</p><p></p><p>WotC called 4e the best release they'd ever done. It most certainly topped the gaming charts for a good long time, and it was absolutely on the overall best sellers list for a good while. I still don't think 5e is THAT unusual. It hasn't in any sense broken into new territory or anything like that. </p><p></p><p>I think WotC MOSTLY avoided f'ing up this time around though. They didn't actively insult half the player base, or any number of other giant idiotic things they did surrounding 4e. PF has also now shot its bolt, its still popular but people aren't running to buy it anymore. WotC just got their lunch handed to them by Paizo, by circumstances, and by their own great ineptitude. If this launch is 'more like 3e', then the conclusion is that its what goes on around the launch period and in the leadup to it that matters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7674389, member: 82106"] I didn't say that's that they were trying to do, I just said that it sometimes appears that way. And you DO have to admit that they've often done their damnedest to find some totally perverse way to shoot themselves in the foot. WotC called 4e the best release they'd ever done. It most certainly topped the gaming charts for a good long time, and it was absolutely on the overall best sellers list for a good while. I still don't think 5e is THAT unusual. It hasn't in any sense broken into new territory or anything like that. I think WotC MOSTLY avoided f'ing up this time around though. They didn't actively insult half the player base, or any number of other giant idiotic things they did surrounding 4e. PF has also now shot its bolt, its still popular but people aren't running to buy it anymore. WotC just got their lunch handed to them by Paizo, by circumstances, and by their own great ineptitude. If this launch is 'more like 3e', then the conclusion is that its what goes on around the launch period and in the leadup to it that matters. [/QUOTE]
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