Minimum weight by STR

[S'mon]

You guys do know that larger and smaller then mansize creatures carry diffrent amounts.
Small creatures are 3/4. (page 142 phb)
So a halfling with 16 STR (very very strong for his race) can only carry 57lb.s as a light load, instead of the 76lb.s a Human can carry.
With a max of 172.5lb.s unlike a humans 230 max.

Lets compare,
A very strong halfling (16 str) can lift 172.5lb.s Max.
A very strong Human (18 str) can lift 300lb.s Max.
The type of the weapons a smaller character is limited too, so the +'s to damage and hit are also balanced out.
There isn't going to be a halfling using a Merc Greatsword even if he wanted too.
So I don't think there is much of a problem.

So a roach (Fine) superpowered (20str) can lift 50lb.s max.

I think this rule was intemded to reflect that smaller creatures will have poorer leverage on a load; rather than STR 10 (small) being fundamentally different from STR 10 (medium). Anyway, I'm only really concerned about medium size creatures; I don't allow halflings & gnomes in my home campaign world anyway...

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Simon!

Thanks U_K - Thrin may be flabby & fat in his old age, but starting as a STR 18/00, 5' tall elf he could probably have used a visit from this table...

Yeah with his mere 62 strength he needs a girdle to support his back...


...a Girdle of Strength +10

 

[MythandLore]

I think this rule was intemded to reflect that smaller creatures will have poorer leverage on a load; rather than STR 10 (small) being fundamentally different from STR 10 (medium). Anyway, I'm only really concerned about medium size creatures; I don't allow halflings & gnomes in my home campaign world anyway...

Ahh... I see now, you a little people hater.
What a bastard. j/k

If you want it to be like real life then rework the scale a bit.
I based mine on powerlifter records, I used Benchpress for the Max zone.

25-27 365 lb
24-25 325 lb
22-23 250 lb
20-21 160 lb
18-19 115 lb
16-17 100 lb
14-15 95 lb
12-13 90 lb
10-11 85 lb
8-9 80 lb
6-7 55 lb
4-5 40 lb
2-3 25 lb

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Your only using this for non-magical str right?

 

[CRGreathouse]

If you want it to be like real life then rework the scale a bit.
I based mine on powerlifter records, I used Benchpress for the Max zone.

If you don't mind my asking, where did you find this? I have always used C&J for RL lifting comparison...

 

[MythandLore]

If you don't mind my asking, where did you find this? I have always used C&J for RL lifting comparison...

Not a problem.
One of my father's friends is a big powerlift orginizer guy, another one of the guys my dad knows is called "Dr. Squat" (he was a big champ of some kind for a while).
In powerlifting I think they do Bench Press, Squats and Deadlifts.
He's where I got my info.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/records/american/index.shtml
http://www.powerlifting.com/

 

[S'mon]

Ahh... I see now, you a little people hater.
What a bastard. j/k

If you want it to be like real life then rework the scale a bit.
I based mine on powerlifter records, I used Benchpress for the Max zone.

25-27 365 lb
24-25 325 lb
22-23 250 lb
20-21 160 lb
18-19 115 lb
16-17 100 lb
14-15 95 lb
12-13 90 lb
10-11 85 lb
8-9 80 lb
6-7 55 lb
4-5 40 lb
2-3 25 lb

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Your only using this for non-magical str right?

Yes, only for non-magical STR. Your table is quite nice - for humans, who can be assumed to have a certain required height & skeleton mass, the lower scores look good. I'm not sure about STR 18 115 lb though - this was exactly what I was trying to avoid. My table has a linear relationship to the encumbrance table, which this one doesn't. I can't see why there wouldn't be a linear relationship.

 

[MythandLore]

Yes, only for non-magical STR. Your table is quite nice - for humans, who can be assumed to have a certain required height & skeleton mass, the lower scores look good. I'm not sure about STR 18 115 lb though - this was exactly what I was trying to avoid. My table has a linear relationship to the encumbrance table, which this one doesn't. I can't see why there wouldn't be a linear relationship.

For some reason people below a certin weight are much weaker then ones at a higher weight and then at high weights there is a big differince in weight vs. power.
It's really weird how it works.
You can get to a point where you need to gain -way-way- more bulk berfore you can get a significant increase in power.
It's very odd, but I based mine on realistic numbers.
You know height is a factor too, infact there are many factors involved.

 

[S'mon]

For some reason people below a certin weight are much weaker then ones at a higher weight and then at high weights there is a big differince in weight vs. power.
It's really weird how it works.
You can get to a point where you need to gain -way-way- more bulk berfore you can get a significant increase in power.
It's very odd, but I based mine on realistic numbers.
You know height is a factor too, infact there are many factors involved.

I think those are both questions of inefficiency though - a weak human is likely very inefficient because they're mostly skin & bone (and internal organs), not muscle, due to the nature of the human body. But that's ok. Rem with my table you _roll their weight normally_ first, THEN if it's too low you RAISE their weight to the minimum required by the table. So even a STR 3 human should still weigh at least the minimum given in the PHB tables.

Likewise, I agree that most STR 20 humans will need to be 300 lb+, but my table is only for the lightest a human or humanlike creature could possibly _be_ and still have STR 20.