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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 4218727" data-attributes="member: 1879">You know, I've been posting on this board for better than 6 years now. I've had many good discussion with many people, including you. I've often had people fail to understand my point, but never understand it and claim it was worthless. Perhaps you should have looked at bit closer, before assuming you grasped what I was saying.I'll repeat myself and bold the word you seem to have missed.Do you understand? Indy shooting the swordsman was a great scene. If there had been a sound boom visible in the shot it would have sucked rotten eggs. If the minion rules make the existence of mooks not only visible, but distractingly obvious in the context of the game then you raise the bar for willing suspension of disbelief to levels I cannot match. The boom is in the shot, the set falls over, and the magic goes away. My character stops being a hero, and becomes a set of numbers of paper. The NPCs stop being villagers and become a set of plastic minis. I stop caring.Allow me to draw you a scene that can and will happen around the tables of poor to mediocre GMs everywhere in coming years.GM: &quot;Okay. The last of the Orcs falls dead, when you loot the bodies you get...&quot;Minerva the Mage: &quot;Hold on. I used my sleep spell so we could get some prisoners to interogate.&quot;GM: &quot;Yeah but then you killed them with a fireball.&quot;Minerva: &quot;Not that guy.&quot;Borax the Fighter: &quot;That's right, I was standing there next to him, and she dropped the fireball over a couple to miss me and catch that bloodrager dude.&quot;GM: &quot;Okay fine. You tie him up, he's awake now. What do you ask him?&quot;Rodger the rakish rogue: &quot;Foul miscreant, who paid you tribe to attack these pilgrims?&quot;GM: &quot;I ain't sayin nothin.&quot;Borax: &quot;I pop him one on the lip to get him to loosen up.&quot;GM: &quot;He dies.&quot;Borax: &quot;What?&quot;GM: &quot;He was a minion, you made a to hit roll, he dies.&quot;Minerva: &quot;I'm pretty sure minion status is meant to be a narrative device and not a litteral...&quot;GM: &quot;Stuff it. He had one hit point and he's dead. Now do you want your loot or not?&quot;Are you telling me that wouldn't interfere with your suspension of disbelief?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andor, post: 4218727, member: 1879"] You know, I've been posting on this board for better than 6 years now. I've had many good discussion with many people, including you. I've often had people fail to understand my point, but never understand it and claim it was worthless. Perhaps you should have looked at bit closer, before assuming you grasped what I was saying. I'll repeat myself and bold the word you seem to have missed. Do you understand? Indy shooting the swordsman was a great scene. If there had been a sound boom visible in the shot it would have sucked rotten eggs. If the minion rules make the existence of mooks not only visible, but distractingly obvious in the context of the game then you raise the bar for willing suspension of disbelief to levels I cannot match. The boom is in the shot, the set falls over, and the magic goes away. My character stops being a hero, and becomes a set of numbers of paper. The NPCs stop being villagers and become a set of plastic minis. I stop caring. Allow me to draw you a scene that can and will happen around the tables of poor to mediocre GMs everywhere in coming years. GM: "Okay. The last of the Orcs falls dead, when you loot the bodies you get..." Minerva the Mage: "Hold on. I used my sleep spell so we could get some prisoners to interogate." GM: "Yeah but then you killed them with a fireball." Minerva: "Not that guy." Borax the Fighter: "That's right, I was standing there next to him, and she dropped the fireball over a couple to miss me and catch that bloodrager dude." GM: "Okay fine. You tie him up, he's awake now. What do you ask him?" Rodger the rakish rogue: "Foul miscreant, who paid you tribe to attack these pilgrims?" GM: "I ain't sayin nothin." Borax: "I pop him one on the lip to get him to loosen up." GM: "He dies." Borax: "What?" GM: "He was a minion, you made a to hit roll, he dies." Minerva: "I'm pretty sure minion status is meant to be a narrative device and not a litteral..." GM: "Stuff it. He had one hit point and he's dead. Now do you want your loot or not?" Are you telling me that wouldn't interfere with your suspension of disbelief? [/QUOTE]

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