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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4223750" data-attributes="member: 22779">Sorry, wasn't clear.  Was referring to the above example of not using minions.  Thus, using creatures that far below the power level of the party is a waste of time.I think you misread what I posted.  I was agreeing with the minions rules.  As far as being cool for the cleric player, meh.  Total waste of time for the game.  There was zero threat to the party, so, it was more just a case of using the largest area spell to get through things as fast as possible.Piss poor game design though.Lizard - to some degree I agree with you.  If there are mechanics that allow long distance communication, then, yes, it's entirely possible that the players will go into business.However, there's a point you are missing.  There is absolutely no way to tell, in game, the difference between a minion and a regular monster.  None.  Yes, some orcs die faster than others, but, that could be due to all sorts of factors.  However, there is no bit "I'm a Minion" sign over certain monsters.Thus, there is no reason, in game, for anyone to conceptualize making bombs to dispose of minions.  You state that "city guards aren't minions" as if this were empirical fact.  That's simply not true.  Sometimes, the guards just might be minions.  Sometimes they are not.  There is nothing preventing using the minion rules for guards, regardless of their species.Heck, I'm fairly certain that you could have epic adventures where dragons are minions.  An epic level dragon guarded by all sorts of smaller dragon progeny.  Yet, as far as the in game world is concerned, there is no "minion" designation.  Simply because there is absolutely no way to test it.  If you throw a stale muffin at someone, he's not going to die, because his minion status depends on his relationship to the PC's.The rules are a spotlight with the PC's in the middle.  Anything outside that spotlight IS NOT COVERED IN THE RULES.We know this for an absolute fact.  The designers have said as much. THIS IS NOT SIMULATIONISM.  Why do you insist on trying to force these rules to be simulationist?</blockquote>

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