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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4227615" data-attributes="member: 1054">Can you tell me why 22nd level devil minions make more sense than mammoth minions? If "Minion" is a storytelling aspect, as is usually claimed, there's no reason for anything to NOT be minion, if the story calls for hordes of them to be flung at the players mostly so the players can show off how bad-ass they are.As another example, consider the uber-vamps from season 7 of Buffy. When there was one of them, it took one very experienced slayer and a dozen proto-slayers an entire episode to kill it. By the season finale, there was an army of them, and newly-empowered slayers were killing 2-3 a round. Cearly, in the first appearence, it was a solo uber-vamp, and in the final episode, they were all minion uber-vamps.But if one had escaped the slaughter and appeared in a hypothetical future episode, it would be back to being uber.You can't have it both ways. You can't have simulationist logic and story logic both ruling the world. Either you allow for wooly mammoth minions, or you have to rethink the whole 'minion' idea. If we accept that 'minion' is a plot aspect, not an innate aspect, it all makes sense.</blockquote>