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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 4232053" data-attributes="member: 1879">I'm not claiming this is a good idea. I was just irritated by the absurdity of the &quot;It can't be done in 3e! Prove me wrong.&quot; claim. 3e provides a nice clean set of tools for making monsters built in a concistent fashion. There is absolutely nothing that compels a GM to limit himself to that system however. Frankly if I wanted a bunch of low level orcs to provide a credible threat to a higher level party they would be part of a warband that included a cleric, bard, and Marshal to give them all some boosts. Maybe even an Orc warblade with some white raven powers. If they absolutely had to inflict fsome damage on the PCs they'd have a dragon shaman with a damage aura up.What I find bizzare about the whole minion disscusion is everybody saying &quot;I want that scene from (book/movie/videogame) where the heros cuts through 500 mooks. And I want those mooks to represent a credible threat to the party!&quot;... Make up your minds people! Are these minions are threat or aren't they? If they are set dressing for the party to mow down like ants then why do they need to present a greater threat than they would have in 3e? To give you an excuse to award XP for them? *pffft* Conversely if they are a threat then how does the ability to be killed by a stiff breeze enhance their function?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andor, post: 4232053, member: 1879"] I'm not claiming this is a good idea. I was just irritated by the absurdity of the "It can't be done in 3e! Prove me wrong." claim. 3e provides a nice clean set of tools for making monsters built in a concistent fashion. There is absolutely nothing that compels a GM to limit himself to that system however. Frankly if I wanted a bunch of low level orcs to provide a credible threat to a higher level party they would be part of a warband that included a cleric, bard, and Marshal to give them all some boosts. Maybe even an Orc warblade with some white raven powers. If they absolutely had to inflict fsome damage on the PCs they'd have a dragon shaman with a damage aura up. What I find bizzare about the whole minion disscusion is everybody saying "I want that scene from (book/movie/videogame) where the heros cuts through 500 mooks. And I want those mooks to represent a credible threat to the party!" ... Make up your minds people! Are these minions are threat or aren't they? If they are set dressing for the party to mow down like ants then why do they need to present a greater threat than they would have in 3e? To give you an excuse to award XP for them? *pffft* Conversely if they are a threat then how does the ability to be killed by a stiff breeze enhance their function? [/QUOTE]

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