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<blockquote data-quote="uzagi_akimbo" data-source="post: 1704339" data-attributes="member: 15945">&quot;Nondetection&quot; lists a number of spells and others &quot;such as&quot;. It lists the detct line of spells, &quot;clairvoyance&quot; and &quot;locate object&quot; specificially, all of them being&nbsp; active&nbsp; magical detection spells, which are trying to probe for normally imperceptible (be it due to L.o.S. , type (purely mental) or condition (alignment or poison ) ) things or facts. &quot;See Invisible&quot; merely negates the effects of two possible conditions with regard to the recipient, these being &quot;Invisibility&quot; and &quot;Ethereality&quot;, same as &quot;Darkvision&quot; does for Lightlessness and &quot;Blindsight&quot; does for lack of sight, say by fog, smoke or similar obstructions. It does not affect the target warded by &quot;non-detection&quot;, but the observer (recipient - it is a &quot;personal&quot; spell). Hence it is unaffected by the level check of &quot;non-detection&quot;, because it never uses magic on or to perceive the warded target in the first place.It is also not listed specificially by &quot;non-detection&quot;, hence not forced to take a level check by WotC's design.As for the &quot;such as&quot; list giving examples - you are partially right there, these are examples of what type of spells are affected - &quot;clairvoyance&quot; as an example of divination (scrying) spells, the general line of &quot;detect&quot; spells and &quot;locate object&quot; as an example of objetc, not person-targeting divination spells, which might be used to circumvent the protection by looking for BBEG's sword instead of the BBEG warded by non-detection himself otherwise.Take note that none of the personal, sight (or other sense) affecting divinations are listed such as &quot;Blindsight&quot;, &quot;True Sight&quot; etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="uzagi_akimbo, post: 1704339, member: 15945"] "Nondetection" lists a number of spells and others "such as". It lists the detct line of spells, "clairvoyance" and "locate object" specificially, all of them being [B]active[/B] magical detection spells, which are trying to probe for normally imperceptible (be it due to L.o.S. , type (purely mental) or condition (alignment or poison ) ) things or facts. "See Invisible" merely negates the effects of two possible conditions with regard to the recipient, these being "Invisibility" and "Ethereality", same as "Darkvision" does for Lightlessness and "Blindsight" does for lack of sight, say by fog, smoke or similar obstructions. It does not affect the target warded by "non-detection", but the observer (recipient - it is a "personal" spell). Hence it is unaffected by the level check of "non-detection", because it never uses magic on or to perceive the warded target in the first place. It is also not listed specificially by "non-detection", hence not forced to take a level check by WotC's design. As for the "such as" list giving examples - you are partially right there, these are examples of what type of spells are affected - "clairvoyance" as an example of divination (scrying) spells, the general line of "detect" spells and "locate object" as an example of objetc, not person-targeting divination spells, which might be used to circumvent the protection by looking for BBEG's sword instead of the BBEG warded by non-detection himself otherwise. Take note that none of the personal, sight (or other sense) affecting divinations are listed such as "Blindsight", "True Sight" etc. [/QUOTE]

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