Missing Skill - Etiquette?

[lukelightning]

Easy. It's diplomacy + another skill.

Talking with the King? Diplomacy + History.
Talking with the local wisewoman or mob boss? Diplomacy + Streetwise.
Talking with the clergy? Diplomacy + Religion.
Talking with an angry giant? Diplomacy + Athletics

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

What you are talking about here is nothing to do with the thread and everything to do with having a bad DM.

If rules are acceptable to resolve combat interaction they should also be acceptable to resolve social interaction.

 

[Snotboy]

If rules are acceptable to resolve combat interaction they should also be acceptable to resolve social interaction.

But rules are not something to beat your DM over the head with to make him behave. You two are at the table to have fun! Together! If the rules are insufficient to maintain that, it ain't the game that's broke.

 

[Akaiku]

If rules are acceptable to resolve combat interaction they should also be acceptable to resolve social interaction.

On the other hand, the game is played by social interaction. You roll for the combat that really shouldn't be done IRL.

Similarly, the problem with relegating strong rules for social interaction is why bother actually coming up with social interactions via rping if say, you like combat. You just say, "I diplomize him, I rolled a 20, I win." I have yet to find a gm that will let you just be bored with actually coming up with descriptions of your wordplay and just roll without punitive actions on success. I HAVE seen plenty accept just "I use at will x on baddy Y. I roll a 20, he has a bad day."

You have to encourage actual roleplaying somehow. Making it baised on collective opinion on whether or not what you just said was good makes it more social then whether or not the dice love you this time.

 

[WalterKovacs]

From what I've seen in some of the published skill challenges ... insight is tied well into Etiquette. If nothing else, Insight is used in many skill challenges as the "find out what to avoid".

Insight fits well, since etiquette isn't necessarily a charisma based skill, charisma (and diplomacy) can be improved by good etiquette, or used to make up for bad etiquette. Wisdom, on the other hand, seems like something that does work, especially in terms of intuitive/improvised etiquette. Wisdom is tied to common sense and being perceptive, aware of people and your surroundings and the like ... which does seem what ettiquette is about, being respectful, paying attention and such. Now, knowing specific facts like "in this culture, you need to do X ..." history does include customs as part of what you can remember with a succesful check.

So, basically:

History can tell you about specific customary ettiquette of the region, insight can give you, well, insight into avoiding any faux pas, and diplomacy can be used to attempt to overcome your bad ettiquette.