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<blockquote data-quote="Korgoth" data-source="post: 3762823" data-attributes="member: 49613">I won't insist on dragging this thread way off topic by giving a detailed response.&nbsp; But in the main I think I agree... I just wanted to point out that Descartes is one of the principal culprits in terms of shifting the focus onto the individual in abstraction from the real.&nbsp; But it's an evolutionary (well, I'd say &quot;devolutionary&quot;, but that's a separate discussion) process so you can't say this or that element is the purely decisive one... like I pointed out, Descartes is responding to guys like Cusanus and Montaigne.&nbsp; So maybe they're the decisive point... except oops, now we have to go back to Ockham and Scotus, etc.On the other hand, I also see the postmodern critique of history as self-refuting.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; Couldn't hit &quot;submit reply&quot; without throwing that in.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Korgoth, post: 3762823, member: 49613"] I won't insist on dragging this thread way off topic by giving a detailed response. But in the main I think I agree... I just wanted to point out that Descartes is one of the principal culprits in terms of shifting the focus onto the individual in abstraction from the real. But it's an evolutionary (well, I'd say "devolutionary", but that's a separate discussion) process so you can't say this or that element is the purely decisive one... like I pointed out, Descartes is responding to guys like Cusanus and Montaigne. So maybe they're the decisive point... except oops, now we have to go back to Ockham and Scotus, etc. On the other hand, I also see the postmodern critique of history as self-refuting. ;) Couldn't hit "submit reply" without throwing that in. [/QUOTE]

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