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<blockquote data-quote="IndyPendant" data-source="post: 2100178" data-attributes="member: 8738">Heh.&nbsp; Tsk tsk Jayaint, you could have just asked me! : )Now, my initial reaction was no to the charge bonus, the reason being that the charges says you make a melee attack, and a grapple is a melee touch attack.&nbsp; However, charging (and grappling!) comes with its own balancing negatives, and it seems a nitpicky detail to rule on.&nbsp;&nbsp; The consensus so far indicates it's at the least an arguably permitted action according to RAW, and momentum adding to the force of a grapple makes sense from a logical standpoint.&nbsp; So regardless of what else happens in this thread, you can grapple on a charge.&nbsp; Note however that this *only* applies to the initial grapple check, while you suffer the -2 AC penalty for the entire round.However.&nbsp; Grappling itself is a lot more than dextrous weaving and finding the opening in the opponent's defenses.&nbsp; A lot of grappling comes down to how strong a grip you have on the other person.&nbsp; And Unarmed Strike is *not* grappling.&nbsp; In my campaign, unless I clearly state otherwise, you can pretty much assume that strength checks are strength checks.&nbsp; And grapple is Str+BAB.&nbsp; So, sorry but you cannot use dex for grapple checks.&nbsp; However, while grappling, if you attack him using unarmed strikes, that *does* get the Weapon Finesse benefit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IndyPendant, post: 2100178, member: 8738"] Heh. Tsk tsk Jayaint, you could have just asked me! : ) Now, my initial reaction was no to the charge bonus, the reason being that the charges says you make a melee attack, and a grapple is a melee [i]touch[/i] attack. However, charging (and grappling!) comes with its own balancing negatives, and it seems a nitpicky detail to rule on. The consensus so far indicates it's at the least an arguably permitted action according to RAW, and momentum adding to the force of a grapple makes sense from a logical standpoint. So regardless of what else happens in this thread, you can grapple on a charge. Note however that this *only* applies to the initial grapple check, while you suffer the -2 AC penalty for the entire round. However. Grappling itself is a lot more than dextrous weaving and finding the opening in the opponent's defenses. A lot of grappling comes down to how strong a grip you have on the other person. And Unarmed Strike is *not* grappling. In my campaign, unless I clearly state otherwise, you can pretty much assume that strength checks are strength checks. And grapple is Str+BAB. So, sorry but you cannot use dex for grapple checks. However, while grappling, if you attack him using unarmed strikes, that *does* get the Weapon Finesse benefit. [/QUOTE]

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