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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4019352" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>and</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lets assume the high Dex/Wis build monk has ZERO STr bonus (mine had a Str of 12).</p><p></p><p>You're going to hit in ranged combat a LOT more. As a pure monk, one of your best ranged weapons- the Crossbow- benefits not at all from Str. Neitherr do grenade like weapons.</p><p></p><p>With Combat Reflexes, you'll also have many more opportunities to roll attacks. Iterative attacks make a difference- and unlike most iterative attacks, AoOs are made at your normal attack bonus.</p><p></p><p>Outside of the Core (esp. in the DCv1), there are weapons monks can use that will alleviate their "Crappy. Damage. Output." My monk was using a Bisento from Oriental Adventures/Rokugan- 1d12 x3S, and dished out almost as much per round as the party's Barbarian. When he Raged and I Flurried, I kept up with him. My Reach weapon triggered enough AoOs that the Barbarian had a Great Cleave Orgy. Even within the Core, the Spear does 1d8x2P with Reach- not significantly worse than the longsword. Using a Greatspear from CompWar gets you 2d6x3P Reach 10' RI 10'- get one of those enchanted as a Returning weapon and go to town.</p><p></p><p>When you build a Dex monk, you have to resist the temptation to think of combat exclusively as "close with your targets and start whaling away." Monks aren't tanks anyway.</p><p></p><p>Instead, you damage your opponents before they close, possibly preventing them from even doing so. If they do close, you've already gotten a round or so of free damage...and if you're using a reach weapon, they still have to pass through those threatened squares to get into the threatened range of your IUC blows. The damage from one average successful AoO roughly balances out with the loss of bonus damage from higher Str, and if you've gotten a successful ranged attack in before that, you're actually ahead of the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4019352, member: 19675"] and Lets assume the high Dex/Wis build monk has ZERO STr bonus (mine had a Str of 12). You're going to hit in ranged combat a LOT more. As a pure monk, one of your best ranged weapons- the Crossbow- benefits not at all from Str. Neitherr do grenade like weapons. With Combat Reflexes, you'll also have many more opportunities to roll attacks. Iterative attacks make a difference- and unlike most iterative attacks, AoOs are made at your normal attack bonus. Outside of the Core (esp. in the DCv1), there are weapons monks can use that will alleviate their "Crappy. Damage. Output." My monk was using a Bisento from Oriental Adventures/Rokugan- 1d12 x3S, and dished out almost as much per round as the party's Barbarian. When he Raged and I Flurried, I kept up with him. My Reach weapon triggered enough AoOs that the Barbarian had a Great Cleave Orgy. Even within the Core, the Spear does 1d8x2P with Reach- not significantly worse than the longsword. Using a Greatspear from CompWar gets you 2d6x3P Reach 10' RI 10'- get one of those enchanted as a Returning weapon and go to town. When you build a Dex monk, you have to resist the temptation to think of combat exclusively as "close with your targets and start whaling away." Monks aren't tanks anyway. Instead, you damage your opponents before they close, possibly preventing them from even doing so. If they do close, you've already gotten a round or so of free damage...and if you're using a reach weapon, they still have to pass through those threatened squares to get into the threatened range of your IUC blows. The damage from one average successful AoO roughly balances out with the loss of bonus damage from higher Str, and if you've gotten a successful ranged attack in before that, you're actually ahead of the game. [/QUOTE]
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