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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ferrum" data-source="post: 4022510" data-attributes="member: 33089">Most, yes. You'll need to go outside core to get decent options unfortunately. (I thought longspear was a weapon monks could use, but I'm not seeing it in the SRD, and don't have the PHB in front of me)So the monk burns a feat to use a decent weapon, and the fighter uses a feat (a weak one in my opinion) to move around. Still without a mount (which is often more a liability than a benefit) a monk have far better mobility than just about anyone else. And tumble is just a fantastic skill to have. The fighter can easily have as good or better AC than a Monk. Unless you're talking about touch AC. And then the monk (with decent dex and wisdom) has superb saves, and evasion. Seeing a high dex/wis monk in action, they are incredibly resilient, in any situation. The movement comparison requiring a mount on the part of a fighter... I don't know about your experiences, but in 3 years of gaming so far I've only seen maybe 5 instances of mounted combat being viable. Even then, only the Paladin with a poke-mount used one (and the monk in the party was still far more maneuverable). Oh, and most mounts can't tumble.A fighter can be a reach monster, but can't do it the way a monk can. A monk is already dependent on dex if he wants a decent AC, so Combat Reflexes and maximizing AOOs is an easy choice. High dex on a fighter who wants high AC is not as intuitive, since he'll be after heavy armor, which diminishes his dex bonus.A build like this optimizes the monk's strengths, and avoids trying to compensate for its weaknesses with valuable resources by using natural talents of the class to go in a different direction. If the fighter optimized for this build wants to match a monk optimized for this build, he likely can. But a fighter who's trying to be a monk, should probably just be a monk.</blockquote>

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