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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4022725" data-attributes="member: 704">I am not so sure that Overrun is such a weak feat to have, but to be honest, I am just eyeballing it in this case.&nbsp; Forcing a 'get tripped or get clear' choice on an opponent should work against nearly any humanoid opponent.&nbsp; I will concede here that Tumble's static DC does work in its favor.High touch AC is the one thing I overlooked here.&nbsp; I will concede that as being very useful.I have never had a PC use tumble, and most of my combats so far have happened in outdoor environments, where using a mount is perfectly viable.&nbsp; Different games will create different situations.&nbsp; Cleave is also feat that is also either great or crappy depending on what the DM throws at you.I do not think you need an especially high Dex to be an effective AoO based build.&nbsp; With a Dex of 14, you will get 2 extra AoO.&nbsp; You may lose 1 point of that to AC, but as far as I know, a heavy armour does not diminish the other effects of a high Dex score (save bonus, combat reflexes benefit, etc).&nbsp; Beyond that, you are either fighting mobs of weak opponents, for which you would want to have Power Attack + Cleave, or your DM really hates you, and is letting every other party member get by without being attacked.I am not saying the monk build you describe is not effective.&nbsp; A very high AC with strong saves across the board able to exploit tumble and easily gain position for AoO's is great.&nbsp; However, if your optimizing for damage output, I think a Medium Dex fighter based reach build would prove superior regarding damage output.Also, I think the one reach build I most want to try right now would be a Fighter / Knight hybrid using a spiked chain and the Knights Challenge ability to force enemies to attack / approach you.&nbsp; Making all threatened squares difficult terrain and negating the 5 foot step would be deadly.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Zardoz, post: 4022725, member: 704"] I am not so sure that Overrun is such a weak feat to have, but to be honest, I am just eyeballing it in this case. Forcing a 'get tripped or get clear' choice on an opponent should work against nearly any humanoid opponent. I will concede here that Tumble's static DC does work in its favor. High touch AC is the one thing I overlooked here. I will concede that as being very useful. I have never had a PC use tumble, and most of my combats so far have happened in outdoor environments, where using a mount is perfectly viable. Different games will create different situations. Cleave is also feat that is also either great or crappy depending on what the DM throws at you. I do not think you need an especially high Dex to be an effective AoO based build. With a Dex of 14, you will get 2 extra AoO. You may lose 1 point of that to AC, but as far as I know, a heavy armour does not diminish the other effects of a high Dex score (save bonus, combat reflexes benefit, etc). Beyond that, you are either fighting mobs of weak opponents, for which you would want to have Power Attack + Cleave, or your DM really hates you, and is letting every other party member get by without being attacked. I am not saying the monk build you describe is not effective. A very high AC with strong saves across the board able to exploit tumble and easily gain position for AoO's is great. However, if your optimizing for damage output, I think a Medium Dex fighter based reach build would prove superior regarding damage output. Also, I think the one reach build I most want to try right now would be a Fighter / Knight hybrid using a spiked chain and the Knights Challenge ability to force enemies to attack / approach you. Making all threatened squares difficult terrain and negating the 5 foot step would be deadly. END COMMUNICATION [/QUOTE]

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