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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4043653" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Every Planetouched printed in the MMs and Dragon. At one point, I was designing a setting in which Planetouched were to figure a major part- but I didn't like the overall mechanics of many of the races, so I did a campaign specific rework of them.</p><p></p><p>Still, I was easily into double digit numbers of Planetouched races before I changed my focus.</p><p></p><p></p><p>While true, I reiterate that this was a comparison between a Dex Monk and a combatant who, besides having a mainstream Str-warrior build (incl. the Power Attack feat tree), had <em>full</em> BAB, giving him more attacks (barring FoB) and a higher probability of hitting than a Str monk.</p><p></p><p>And the same could be said of the Githzerai monk who stood alongside his Human Barbarian ally.</p><p></p><p></p><p>???</p><p></p><p>I'd have to differ on the Great Cleave fighters, personally- especially after watching 2 of them tear down a pair of Half-Dragon T-Rexes in RttToEE (<em>3Ed</em> PHB & splatbooks builds only- meaning they don't get the benefit of the boosted power that tree gets in 3.5) nearly single handedly, and Goodman Games' Wizard Strategy Guide would probably disagree with you on the latter assertion.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I rarely build single-classed anything, sorry!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It depends upon the particular situation. Typically, its one of the following:</p><p></p><p>1) Because they've seen their buddies get hacked down trying to get past them- some by the Monk, but also by the allies working with the Monk in formation so that <em>their</em> AoOs following the Monk's triggers someone's Cleave/Great Cleave.</p><p></p><p>2) They erroneously percieve the Monk as one of the weaker members, and don't realize their mistake until after they've engaged.</p><p></p><p>3) Space available for combat dictates who they get to fight- there is no path to the weaker members other than through the Monk and Warriors.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now I'm curious- how do you figure that? At 2d6, the Greatspear (or the 1d12 Bisento) does more damage than the Monk's IUC (1d10) and the weapon's reach improves the odds that he'll actually get his single AoO. Taking INA boosts his damage to 2d8, but since he threatens a smaller area, he is less likely to actually get to use his AoO at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean...Monks are not as good at fighting as warrior classes (those w/full BABs)?! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> </p><p></p><p>Not only am I not surprised, but I actually predicted that a Dex Monk couldn't do the same damage as an actual warrior:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4043653, member: 19675"] Every Planetouched printed in the MMs and Dragon. At one point, I was designing a setting in which Planetouched were to figure a major part- but I didn't like the overall mechanics of many of the races, so I did a campaign specific rework of them. Still, I was easily into double digit numbers of Planetouched races before I changed my focus. While true, I reiterate that this was a comparison between a Dex Monk and a combatant who, besides having a mainstream Str-warrior build (incl. the Power Attack feat tree), had [I]full[/I] BAB, giving him more attacks (barring FoB) and a higher probability of hitting than a Str monk. And the same could be said of the Githzerai monk who stood alongside his Human Barbarian ally. ??? I'd have to differ on the Great Cleave fighters, personally- especially after watching 2 of them tear down a pair of Half-Dragon T-Rexes in RttToEE ([I]3Ed[/I] PHB & splatbooks builds only- meaning they don't get the benefit of the boosted power that tree gets in 3.5) nearly single handedly, and Goodman Games' Wizard Strategy Guide would probably disagree with you on the latter assertion. I rarely build single-classed anything, sorry! It depends upon the particular situation. Typically, its one of the following: 1) Because they've seen their buddies get hacked down trying to get past them- some by the Monk, but also by the allies working with the Monk in formation so that [I]their[/I] AoOs following the Monk's triggers someone's Cleave/Great Cleave. 2) They erroneously percieve the Monk as one of the weaker members, and don't realize their mistake until after they've engaged. 3) Space available for combat dictates who they get to fight- there is no path to the weaker members other than through the Monk and Warriors. Now I'm curious- how do you figure that? At 2d6, the Greatspear (or the 1d12 Bisento) does more damage than the Monk's IUC (1d10) and the weapon's reach improves the odds that he'll actually get his single AoO. Taking INA boosts his damage to 2d8, but since he threatens a smaller area, he is less likely to actually get to use his AoO at all. You mean...Monks are not as good at fighting as warrior classes (those w/full BABs)?! :eek: Not only am I not surprised, but I actually predicted that a Dex Monk couldn't do the same damage as an actual warrior: [/QUOTE]
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