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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4056487" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I disagree.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not the total enhancement the weapon can actually <em>have.</em> Otherwise, a 1st level Kensai couldn't enhance a +1 weapon, which the language of the first sentence above contemplates him doing. The only example in the entire section that discusses a Kensai enhancing a magic weapon uses a Kensai of indeterminate level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I consider Monk PrCls every bit as much Monks as the base class. YMMV.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(Not that I ever claimed the build was "typical"...)</p><p></p><p>It <em>can & does</em> attack unarmed...once someone gets past the point of its spear and the AoO that incurs. Not that a monk needs to attack unarmed- they do have proficiency with weapons, after all, which, depending upon the situation (campaign, combat, etc.) may be quite superior to the Monk's unarmed strikes. Questions of Ranged or Reach weapons aside, there are definitely opponents out there you wouldn't want to touch <em>at all,</em> for instance.</p><p></p><p>The reason the Gameday build didn't use the AC bonus was because I couldn't afford to equip the PC in a way that would allow me to do so AND have the offense I envisioned- had I had the cash, a Monk's Belt would probably have been all the additional "armor" the PC wore. (Since the party had no healer, each PC was responsible for his own health care, and there were other concerns as well.)</p><p></p><p>Had this been a PC in an actual campaign, the PC would have continued gaining Monk & Kensai levels, eventually casting off the armor in favor of her class abilities and items like Bracers of AC or a Monk's Belt (if she could get her hands on them, of course).</p><p></p><p>And, like I said, that was a Gameday approximation of the Githzerai monk that actually did use the higher speed & AC bonus. Had the Lucid Cenobite been disallowed for <em>that </em>build, it would have been one of WotC's- the similar Fist of Zuoken or perhaps the Tattooed Monk, Sacred Fist, Kensai or some other Monk PrCl, each of which have their advantages & disadvantages.</p><p></p><p>BTW...did you notice that the Sample PC given for the Kensai was a Monk/Kensai with a Dex build?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And with a Dex monk as the target, that touch AC is <em>higher</em> than for a Str Monk, and then you have make your opposed roll vs the Str or Dex of the target, whichever is higher. Versus a trip attack, then, Dex does double duty- making your Monk harder to hit while still ensuring he has a good chance of avoiding being tripped if he is hit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4056487, member: 19675"] I disagree. Not the total enhancement the weapon can actually [I]have.[/I] Otherwise, a 1st level Kensai couldn't enhance a +1 weapon, which the language of the first sentence above contemplates him doing. The only example in the entire section that discusses a Kensai enhancing a magic weapon uses a Kensai of indeterminate level. I consider Monk PrCls every bit as much Monks as the base class. YMMV. and (Not that I ever claimed the build was "typical"...) It [I]can & does[/I] attack unarmed...once someone gets past the point of its spear and the AoO that incurs. Not that a monk needs to attack unarmed- they do have proficiency with weapons, after all, which, depending upon the situation (campaign, combat, etc.) may be quite superior to the Monk's unarmed strikes. Questions of Ranged or Reach weapons aside, there are definitely opponents out there you wouldn't want to touch [I]at all,[/I] for instance. The reason the Gameday build didn't use the AC bonus was because I couldn't afford to equip the PC in a way that would allow me to do so AND have the offense I envisioned- had I had the cash, a Monk's Belt would probably have been all the additional "armor" the PC wore. (Since the party had no healer, each PC was responsible for his own health care, and there were other concerns as well.) Had this been a PC in an actual campaign, the PC would have continued gaining Monk & Kensai levels, eventually casting off the armor in favor of her class abilities and items like Bracers of AC or a Monk's Belt (if she could get her hands on them, of course). And, like I said, that was a Gameday approximation of the Githzerai monk that actually did use the higher speed & AC bonus. Had the Lucid Cenobite been disallowed for [I]that [/I]build, it would have been one of WotC's- the similar Fist of Zuoken or perhaps the Tattooed Monk, Sacred Fist, Kensai or some other Monk PrCl, each of which have their advantages & disadvantages. BTW...did you notice that the Sample PC given for the Kensai was a Monk/Kensai with a Dex build? And with a Dex monk as the target, that touch AC is [I]higher[/I] than for a Str Monk, and then you have make your opposed roll vs the Str or Dex of the target, whichever is higher. Versus a trip attack, then, Dex does double duty- making your Monk harder to hit while still ensuring he has a good chance of avoiding being tripped if he is hit. [/QUOTE]
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