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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 60255" data-attributes="member: 2950">I think the ECL for the animals I checked are dead on.I've already covered the cat in the other thread. I figure dog would be the same except lean more towards the fighting classes.Heavy War Horse at ECL 6 is accurate. You get good (great?) stat bonuses, 6d8 hp, decent natural attack, large without reach, 4 legs (extra carrying and stability vs trip), decent saves, decent HP. AFAIK you'd have 9 ranks in spot and listen and go from there. It would be like roleplaying the paladin's warhorse. You would work together with your rider taking riding feats. I wonder if the horse could take trample instead of the rider as a feat.Would you prefer to be a horse or a centaur though?Wolf gets the knockdown feat (worth 3 feats) without the damage requirement.Apes and monkeys would be the same as a simian PC race like in Oriental Adventures.Awakened animals function better as PC races than monsters with crazy abilites and immunities because its much easier to gauge their power and relative strengths vs. conventional characters. IMHO</blockquote>