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<blockquote data-quote="Shade" data-source="post: 2942784" data-attributes="member: 287"><p>I don't have the book, and probably won't get it anytime soon. This is a sad day for me...it's the first monster book I haven't bought as soon as it was available for as long as I've been actively playing.</p><p></p><p>While I haven't seen the book in its entirety, I don't feel I'm just "judging a book by its cover". There are too many guaranteed negatives for my tastes.</p><p></p><p>I don't want MM monsters with class levels tacked on in a monster book. I feel for the DMs that don't have the time or enjoy doing this themselves, but I think it is far better served as a separate book as others have mentioned. Having an orc barbarian from level 1-20 would be far more useful, I would imagine, than just including "orc barbarian 4". If your characters aren't around 4th-level, this guy is going to be of limited usefulness.</p><p></p><p>I dislike much of the new format. I love the addition of the ecology, the strategy and tactics can be nice, but I dislike having the treasure pregenerated for the same reasons as the monsters as class levels...I'd rather do it myself. This is less space-wasting, so isn't quite as big as an issue for me, but still adds up to my sum negative reaction. The lore is hit-or-miss for me as well. I like the concept, but the results seem to vary too wildly. Some of the higher DC lore seems more obvious (or less useful) than the lower DC results.</p><p></p><p>The preview creatures I have seen thus far don't really thrill me. The dragonspawn are just too generic, and too much like draconians, which I already have in the Dragonlance CS. The wizened elder just seems like a treant-lite. </p><p></p><p>I agree with the comments that githyanki and yuan-ti should've used psionics. Demons and yugoloths should have also used the traditional naming conventions they've used for quite some time now (although this "innovation" started with the MM3). </p><p></p><p>And while many will probably applaud them for not including a bunch of creatures updated from older editions of the game, and for gathering up creatures from Dragon and Dungeon, I don't. I don't need a book full of new creatures, when there are plenty of interesting existing creatures that could use an update to 3.5 or a bit of polish with the expanded ecology section. I wish they'd go back to the "mixed bag" approach of the MM2 and Fiend Folio, which have a good mix of updated, reprinted, and new creatures.</p><p></p><p>I won't rule out getting it somewhere down the line, as I'm a sucker for monsters and it's hard to know that there are demons and yugoloths out there not in my collection. But since ENWorld feedback seems to be generally perceived as "grumbling fanboys" not indicative of the average customer, my only option is to vote with my gaming dollar.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shade, post: 2942784, member: 287"] I don't have the book, and probably won't get it anytime soon. This is a sad day for me...it's the first monster book I haven't bought as soon as it was available for as long as I've been actively playing. While I haven't seen the book in its entirety, I don't feel I'm just "judging a book by its cover". There are too many guaranteed negatives for my tastes. I don't want MM monsters with class levels tacked on in a monster book. I feel for the DMs that don't have the time or enjoy doing this themselves, but I think it is far better served as a separate book as others have mentioned. Having an orc barbarian from level 1-20 would be far more useful, I would imagine, than just including "orc barbarian 4". If your characters aren't around 4th-level, this guy is going to be of limited usefulness. I dislike much of the new format. I love the addition of the ecology, the strategy and tactics can be nice, but I dislike having the treasure pregenerated for the same reasons as the monsters as class levels...I'd rather do it myself. This is less space-wasting, so isn't quite as big as an issue for me, but still adds up to my sum negative reaction. The lore is hit-or-miss for me as well. I like the concept, but the results seem to vary too wildly. Some of the higher DC lore seems more obvious (or less useful) than the lower DC results. The preview creatures I have seen thus far don't really thrill me. The dragonspawn are just too generic, and too much like draconians, which I already have in the Dragonlance CS. The wizened elder just seems like a treant-lite. I agree with the comments that githyanki and yuan-ti should've used psionics. Demons and yugoloths should have also used the traditional naming conventions they've used for quite some time now (although this "innovation" started with the MM3). And while many will probably applaud them for not including a bunch of creatures updated from older editions of the game, and for gathering up creatures from Dragon and Dungeon, I don't. I don't need a book full of new creatures, when there are plenty of interesting existing creatures that could use an update to 3.5 or a bit of polish with the expanded ecology section. I wish they'd go back to the "mixed bag" approach of the MM2 and Fiend Folio, which have a good mix of updated, reprinted, and new creatures. I won't rule out getting it somewhere down the line, as I'm a sucker for monsters and it's hard to know that there are demons and yugoloths out there not in my collection. But since ENWorld feedback seems to be generally perceived as "grumbling fanboys" not indicative of the average customer, my only option is to vote with my gaming dollar. [/QUOTE]
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