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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 2942843" data-attributes="member: 957">I'm very comfortable with pre-statted humanoids.  It is the two half done books idea that bugs me.In another thread it was pointed out that the Ogre Barbarian in the MM is precedent for this.  I disagree that what amounts to a sidebar for a creature introduced in that book is precedent for spending a large portion of a new monster book on pre-existing monsters.  But there is a bigger point in my mind.I had forgotten that the Ogre barbarian was even there.Why?  Because an isolated example of an ogre barbarian 4 does not provide much overall value.  I found it much more useful as an example of what WotC had in mind for advancing and gearing up characters.  I don't find it useful as a stat-block for use in game because it is to specific.I use classed creatures all the time.  But the MM does not provide the specific cases that I need so I don't even think of it as a resource for that.  Thus, even if I DID happen to want an ogre Barbarian 4 I'd be unlikely to recall that there is one there for me.  Now if I had a book with Ogre barbarians of every level 1 through 10, or just even levels or even every 3rd, then THAT would be a great resource in my mind.  When I needed a creature with classes I'd go there first and see how close I could get and go from there. THAT sounds like a great product.I don't see anyone saying you shouldn't do it.  I do see people saying that a Monster Manual with them in it does not live up to their expectations.  Like I said before, if Spell Compendium had been 1/2 feats, that would have been a disappointment.On the one hand it is not arguable that the space dedicated to these class examples could have been used for other new monsters.  So there is a certain negative built in right there.Now add in that the classes monsters require me to build my game around them or gain no value from them and I don't see any way to not find that also a negative.  It is like an anti-synergy.If you like the classed characters then wouldn't you like a book with a wide variety of them?I certainly would.</blockquote>

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