the Jester
Legend
Probably up to about 12th; my party is 13th level and there isn't much usable for the next few adventures, then its level-appropriate content is too sparse to bother bringing to game.
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Probably up to about 12th; my party is 13th level and there isn't much usable for the next few adventures, then its level-appropriate content is too sparse to bother bringing to game.
(Psi)SeveredHead
Adventurer
You could mix and match it with Monster Vault for higher level content. For instance, there's a bunch of treants in both products, if you want to use treants as opponents or even allies. Just make them conifers if you want them to be "evil" 
Obryn
Hero
That's about right. On the plus side, though, it's probably the best monster design in the game so far. The low-level stuff should scale wonderfully if you don't mind doing some work. I'd much rather level these up than monsters from the Demonomicon or MM3.
-O
OT: IMO "Low Level" isn't really a meaningful concept in 4e; as opposed to "Low Heroic" or "Low Paragon". There isn't really a direct comparison with prior editions.
In 1e AD&D you were clearly High Level at Name Level, 9th, so Low was roughly 1-4 'pre-fireball', Mid was the 5-8 'sweet spot'. Although in the UK White Dwarf mag etc normally treated Low as 1-3 - 'Basic D&D' level, Mid as 4-6 - 'Isle of Dread' level, then High as 7-9, with 10+ Endgame, and that was more how I saw it.
3e retained 1e etc's spell power levels, so despite claiming that High only started at 11+ it really worked the same as 1e-2e; 9th certainly feels High in 3e, at least if you're a spellcaster.
If you look at who you typically fight in 4e compared to prior editions, low level foes like goblins, orcs, and gnolls go through roughly 1-7, by 8th you are routinely fighting mid level creatures like ogres & trolls, and high level creatures like giants come in as routine threats around 14th. Epic is its own ballgame, corresponding roughly to 3e official Very High (16-20) and 3e Epic (21+).
So, if you still want to use Low/Mid/High dissociated from Tier, I'd suggest:
Low: 1-7
Mid: 8-13
High: 14-20
Very High/Epic: 21+
I think what this demonstrates though is that pre-4e 'Mid' level clearly straddles the start of Paragon Tier in 4e, making it less useful as a concept.
Edit: Personally though, if I hear "Low Level" without context I read it as "Low Heroic" or around 1-4, effectively the same levels as in 1e-3e. Certainly talk of 12th level as Low gives me a slight headache from the cognitive dissonance as I try to imagine Calastyx as a 'low level' threat(?!?!).
IME at the London D&D Meetup if people discuss 'High Level' it means Paragon Tier, eg:
"I'd like to run a Paragon Tier game, but it's hard to start players off at high level in 4e".
In 1e AD&D you were clearly High Level at Name Level, 9th, so Low was roughly 1-4 'pre-fireball', Mid was the 5-8 'sweet spot'. Although in the UK White Dwarf mag etc normally treated Low as 1-3 - 'Basic D&D' level, Mid as 4-6 - 'Isle of Dread' level, then High as 7-9, with 10+ Endgame, and that was more how I saw it.
3e retained 1e etc's spell power levels, so despite claiming that High only started at 11+ it really worked the same as 1e-2e; 9th certainly feels High in 3e, at least if you're a spellcaster.
If you look at who you typically fight in 4e compared to prior editions, low level foes like goblins, orcs, and gnolls go through roughly 1-7, by 8th you are routinely fighting mid level creatures like ogres & trolls, and high level creatures like giants come in as routine threats around 14th. Epic is its own ballgame, corresponding roughly to 3e official Very High (16-20) and 3e Epic (21+).
So, if you still want to use Low/Mid/High dissociated from Tier, I'd suggest:
Low: 1-7
Mid: 8-13
High: 14-20
Very High/Epic: 21+
I think what this demonstrates though is that pre-4e 'Mid' level clearly straddles the start of Paragon Tier in 4e, making it less useful as a concept.
Edit: Personally though, if I hear "Low Level" without context I read it as "Low Heroic" or around 1-4, effectively the same levels as in 1e-3e. Certainly talk of 12th level as Low gives me a slight headache from the cognitive dissonance as I try to imagine Calastyx as a 'low level' threat(?!?!).
IME at the London D&D Meetup if people discuss 'High Level' it means Paragon Tier, eg:
"I'd like to run a Paragon Tier game, but it's hard to start players off at high level in 4e".
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