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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4175257" data-attributes="member: 40961">While I would normally agree with this post, and while I generally agree with the ideas in the post, I disagree strongly with the application of those ideas to this specific debate.The exact nature of how a succubus is using her wiles and her powers to manipulate powerful men doesn't belong in the succubus entry.  It belongs in the adventure module.  And if you haven't got an adventure module, then its your job as the DM to work it out.  This is plot device territory, or maybe monster tactics territory, but not monster rules territory.  Demanding to know exactly how a succubus is using her powers and wiles to control a powerful man is like demanding to know the exact process by which a necromancer is questing for ultimate power.  The rules shouldn't spell it out because it should be different each time.  The rules can point you in the right direction (the succubus is using some form of seduction, the necromancer's efforts probably involve the undead) but beyond that its yourp problem.</blockquote>