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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4175446" data-attributes="member: 710">I think I rather try out 4E first. What you're describing has little to do with what most of us are interested. We want rule for &quot;things&quot; - like for combat, for social interaction, and such stuff. We don't need rules for &quot;plot-device&quot; magic. This is what the excerpt tells us on the Succubus.So they use seduction and betrayal. They typically don't seem to rely on magic. Probably because they want your soul, and it's a lot more rewarding to get it through seduction and betrayal then by simply snipping a finger. Though in this case, there is also some crunch that gives us more. Succubi might use their Charm Kiss to do some work for them, but most likely after they have already &quot;performed&quot; their seduction. And once they get to the betrayal part, there is nothing our dear king can do against the Succubus (for 24 hours).The raw statement gives you the plot hook. &quot;How about a king controlled by a Succubus?&quot; Questions coming up: &quot;How does the Succubus do it?&quot; and &quot;What can the PCs do about it?&quot; But the more important question is &quot;How can the whole thing be made interesting?&quot; If you just use Charm Person from the Succubus stat block, the solution is a little... bland. A dispel magic later, and the Charm wears off. If you had something more interesting to counter, this part could be a lot more entertaining - imagine a skill challenge to speak to the King in the first place, and a second skill challenge to complete the counter-ritual - the Wizard is mumbling arcane formulas, while the Rogue is busy talking with the King so he doesn't go away, the Cleric holding the Succubus at bay, and the Fighter talking down the guards. And to your last question - I don't know what we'll spend our 70 Bucks (or rather 60 €uro in my case) for. I have an inkling of what it is, and pictures might be part of it. I don't expect to see a lot of blank pages, and instead predict a lot of crunch and fluff that will make for a good game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4175446, member: 710"] I think I rather try out 4E first. What you're describing has little to do with what most of us are interested. We want rule for "things" - like for combat, for social interaction, and such stuff. We don't need rules for "plot-device" magic. This is what the excerpt tells us on the Succubus. So they use seduction and betrayal. They typically don't seem to rely on magic. Probably because they want your soul, and it's a lot more rewarding to get it through seduction and betrayal then by simply snipping a finger. Though in this case, there is also some crunch that gives us more. Succubi might use their Charm Kiss to do some work for them, but most likely after they have already "performed" their seduction. And once they get to the betrayal part, there is nothing our dear king can do against the Succubus (for 24 hours). The raw statement gives you the plot hook. "How about a king controlled by a Succubus?" Questions coming up: "How does the Succubus do it?" and "What can the PCs do about it?" But the more important question is "How can the whole thing be made interesting?" If you just use Charm Person from the Succubus stat block, the solution is a little... bland. A dispel magic later, and the Charm wears off. If you had something more interesting to counter, this part could be a lot more entertaining - imagine a skill challenge to speak to the King in the first place, and a second skill challenge to complete the counter-ritual - the Wizard is mumbling arcane formulas, while the Rogue is busy talking with the King so he doesn't go away, the Cleric holding the Succubus at bay, and the Fighter talking down the guards. And to your last question - I don't know what we'll spend our 70 Bucks (or rather 60 €uro in my case) for. I have an inkling of what it is, and pictures might be part of it. I don't expect to see a lot of blank pages, and instead predict a lot of crunch and fluff that will make for a good game. [/QUOTE]

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