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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zweischneid" data-source="post: 4175579" data-attributes="member: 11843">Um, diceless games are certainly not rule-less games, quite the opposite I fear. What's the hate? A 'rule' is certainly not more or less viable whether it includes number and mathematical equations or not. Infact, I'd argue that dice-based games allow a much wider margin of DM-fiat, as he could (secretly behind his screen if this is frowned upon in the group) interpret results within the margin of dice.. with diceless, that option is closed.Hate to bring up the ol' chess, but just because it's diceless, doesn't mean there no rules.. the same would applies to Amber or Nobilis.</blockquote>