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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mathew_Freeman" data-source="post: 4183426" data-attributes="member: 1846">Here is my answer to The Succubus Question (that being, why aren't the details for the Succubus seducing the king in the Succubus entry?):The Succubus isn't the only creature that can seduce another creature, either on stage or off. As noted by bramadan, if you put the seduction rules (although I'm happy that this falls under a Skill challenge if against a PC, and it doesn't need rules at all if it's between two NPC's) under the Succubus, then you'd logically need to do the same for every other entry in the MM.Being as Seduction is independent of Succubus, the rules don't need to be there. Same goes for, say, Tunnelling. Not only Dwarves tunnel, therefore tunnelling rules can go elsewhere.There are three ways a Succubus can seduce a King:1) Entirely off-screen. The success or failure of the Succubus is down to the DM, based on what sort of plot he is setting up that the PC's may or may not get involved in.2) Entirely on-screen. This sounds like an excellent opportunity for a skill challenge, as the Succubus uses sweet words and it's charm powers to seduce the king whilst the PC's battle against it using whatever they can.3) On-screen, but hand-waved so the PC's can't interfere. I would be very annoyed if a DM pulled this on me, but it's possible.I can appreciate that the MM entry could do with some information on what sort of seduction the Succubus might try, but as for rules, it seems to already be covered.You can substitute another monster with another ability as needed (eg Dragon / Lair Building instead of Succubus / Seduction).</blockquote>

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