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<blockquote data-quote="deleteme123456" data-source="post: 4458849" data-attributes="member: 65832"><p>A party advancing slowly through the woods carefully looking for traps and signs of enemies would qualify as taking 20 I'd say. I could potentially call for their stealth checks and then see if the Kobolds see them, in which case the Kobolds can either ambush them or stealth themselves.</p><p></p><p>I have the current stealth rules from all errata, requires superior / total to start, etc etc etc. So a K finds himself somewhere way out of the way, say behind a lot of trees or around a corner of a wall. He stealths and gets 18 beating my PCs. If he wants to attack, he may not even have line of effect, or may be at -5 for superior cover, optimistically he might only have normal cover vs his target... in the latter 2 cases he at least gets +2 to the attack for CA, and then yes, he could use a racial power to try to regain his stealth.</p><p></p><p>The rogue however, uses deft strike to leap out from around the corner / cover, completely blowing stealth but not until after the attack, so is at insane numbers (my level 1 rogue is at +10 = +4 dex +4 weapon (dagger) +2 CA). I would like to be able to do something useful with the Kobold's stealth, but attacking at a net -3 or even net +0 seems useless, except for the one with specific abilities that trigger off CA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deleteme123456, post: 4458849, member: 65832"] A party advancing slowly through the woods carefully looking for traps and signs of enemies would qualify as taking 20 I'd say. I could potentially call for their stealth checks and then see if the Kobolds see them, in which case the Kobolds can either ambush them or stealth themselves. I have the current stealth rules from all errata, requires superior / total to start, etc etc etc. So a K finds himself somewhere way out of the way, say behind a lot of trees or around a corner of a wall. He stealths and gets 18 beating my PCs. If he wants to attack, he may not even have line of effect, or may be at -5 for superior cover, optimistically he might only have normal cover vs his target... in the latter 2 cases he at least gets +2 to the attack for CA, and then yes, he could use a racial power to try to regain his stealth. The rogue however, uses deft strike to leap out from around the corner / cover, completely blowing stealth but not until after the attack, so is at insane numbers (my level 1 rogue is at +10 = +4 dex +4 weapon (dagger) +2 CA). I would like to be able to do something useful with the Kobold's stealth, but attacking at a net -3 or even net +0 seems useless, except for the one with specific abilities that trigger off CA. [/QUOTE]
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