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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5759720" data-attributes="member: 6957">Yes - do parse what I actually said and what you quoted. You do notice that there is no mention of the folks that like both, don't you? 'They are why those who prefer 4e' - you know, those folks with actual preferences for 4e? 'and why those that don't like 4e - you know, those folks that don't like 4e?Guess what? It does not claim that everybody is on either side, just that there are folks that are on one side or the other. And that those are among the reasons for that division.You are making an argument where there isn't one.My reply, in turn, was to your claim that there is no serious difference between 3.X and 4e, which makes me call shenanigans.The Auld Grump, shenanigans, I tell you!</blockquote>