"Monte Cook Presents" Iron Heroes?

[AdmundfortGeographer]

Not precisely Orwellian.

Indeed, humility as a virtue goes back as far as the ancient Greeks, although there were more than a few Greek heroes who didn't have it (they usually were the victim of some tragic end though). Countless philosophers through the millenia have praised it, especially the more theological ones.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

A bit like posting the same thread to multiple websites is vain and crass, IMO.

Ouch.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

It isn't promoting his name. It is using his name to promote the product.

It's BOTH.

Monte Cook is a brand name. He's done an excellent job of promoting his name as a mark of quality.

At any rate, from a purely technical standpoint, it's Monte's money on the line. He is, in a more literal sense, the producer of the work.

 

[Felon]

Indeed, humility as a virtue goes back as far as the ancient Greeks, although there were more than a few Greek heroes who didn't have it (they usually were the victim of some tragic end though). Countless philosophers through the millenia have praised it, especially the more theological ones.

What's your point? Many culture, philosophies, and theologies have advanced inane concepts. This an ad populum arguement.

EDIT--After a bit of consideration, I'd say Mr. Anondson's arguement qualifies as more of an appeal to belief than ad populum. Either way, it's horsepucky.

 

[philreed]

A bit like posting the same thread to multiple websites is vain and crass, IMO.

Mike, I want to party with you!

 

[Brennin Magalus]

Well, too-bad. You can't admire them, because you don't know who those nobodies are.



No, I don't consider humility a virtue, as I am not a big fan of Orwellian logic. You work your tail off achieving things and then you actively avoid the acknowledgments of your accomplishments. What's to respect? Forfeiting a well-earned benefit is a stupid thing to do. What exactly makes this "certainly worthy of admiration"?

Stand up for what you deserve. Then I'll admire you and you'll deserve that too.

More claptrap from the desk of Felon.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

A bit like posting the same thread to multiple websites is vain and crass, IMO.

Not if the poster in question is a regular member of both communities.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

What's your point?

That humility is far from Orwellian. Or is that just something you toss out as a perjorative (because people know "Orwellian" is a bad thing!) when you are offended hoping it sticks no matter how tenuous? It is too easy to twist Orwell's name for anyone's purposes on either side of an argument that it has lost so much meaning beyond it being "a bad thing to be avoided".

Calling humility as a virtue, "Orwellian", is like the Hegelian dialectic that "proves" slavery is freedom and freedom is slavery.

And on topic, I don't have any problem with Monte Cook branding his name.

 

[Captain Tagon]

It's BOTH.

Monte Cook is a brand name. He's done an excellent job of promoting his name as a mark of quality.

At any rate, from a purely technical standpoint, it's Monte's money on the line. He is, in a more literal sense, the producer of the work.

Yeah, from reading what I wrote in that comment it didn't come across quite like I meant it too. My point was that his name wasn't being put on the cover of the book as a way to go "hey look at me" as much as it was to increase the standing of the product.

 

[Captain Tagon]

Well, too-bad. You can't admire them, because you don't know who those nobodies are.



No, I don't consider humility a virtue, as I am not a big fan of Orwellian logic. You work your tail off achieving things and then you actively avoid the acknowledgments of your accomplishments. What's to respect? Forfeiting a well-earned benefit is a stupid thing to do. What exactly makes this "certainly worthy of admiration"?

Stand up for what you deserve. Then I'll admire you and you'll deserve that too.

Except they aren't nobodies. They are people you know. Humility isn't standing aside and letting other people take credit for your works. You can be proud of what you've done and stand up for your rights and still be humble. Humility is in knowing your limits, in knowing that you have limits, in knowing that no matter how good you are at something someone out there is better at it. Humility is acknowledging that self isn't the end-all be-all of one's existence.