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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Skywalker" data-source="post: 51749" data-attributes="member: 1538">There is nothing wrong with the PHB Sorceror.I felt that they were not distinguished enough from the Wizard.  In essence they seemed only a Wizard variant (not the natural spellcatser).  This was detrimental on the Sorceror class and the Wizard class (as moved the focus on them from being the "arcane spell casters").  People who wanted to play a wizard were left thinking that playing a Sorceror was maybe just a better Wizard and many people playing Sorceror's could not be the natural spellcaster they wanted. However Monte has redone the sorceror conceptually.  By detracting away from the spell casting ability a little by flavouring their spell list differently (especially Wizardly flavoured parts) and taking away the material component they seem less like a Wizard variant.  Adding in more non spell related abilities emphasises this more.  The result is that a Sorceror is more a seperate class that covers a much different concept (the natural mage as the PHB sorceror tried to convey).Monte's Bard is a much better example.  By taking away the arcane spells and adding the Spell Song the result is that a Bard is a much more conecptually distinct class (and I think more accurately conveys what the PHB was trying to get across).When Sorceror's were first made the writers of the PHB had to be conservative because many saw the Sorceror as an uber wizard.  Now with time we see that its not the case and so I like that Monte is adjusting the classes conceptually (especially Ranger and Bard)</blockquote>

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