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<blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 2408616" data-attributes="member: 10201"><p>What's the point of an award that's just a popularity contest? Isn't that a sales ranking? Until someone presuades me of an even better solution, i still think that the best way to make the awards both relevant to gamers in the they-get-to-directly-influence-the-results sense and relevant to gamers in the identifying-the-best-stuff-out-there-regardless-of-popularity-or-exposure sense is to have the nominations open to the general public and the voting done by a select group.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Interesting. I wonder if that <em>is</em> part of the solution: categorize games on company size as well as type. Hmmm...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And here's where i smell the contradiction: does he want games judged by the public at large, or by professionals in the industry? Or is he talking about two different sets of awards?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? the ENnies are an "industry" award? They're even more skewed than the industry itself in favor of one segment of the RPG market. The voting methodology may be better (though i still think they're backwards), but giving a dozen-ish awards to D20 System products, and lumping everything else into one award, is hardly a good merit-based award system for the RPG industry as a whole. Now, eliminate the "Best Non-D20 System game" category and eliminate the implicit "D20 System" from all the other categories, and then i think we'd be fine. Even if the process still led to 95% of the winners being D20 System.</p><p></p><p><em>edit: actually, looking at the categories for the 2005 ENnies, it looks like perhaps they've mostly done that? Are the awards officially open to all game systems, except for the "Best D20 Game" category? Or is the D20 System-ness just assumed, given the venue? And, while i'm asking questions, is the "Best D20 Game" category really intended to only accept games with a D20 System logo, and not, say, Everquest D20? (versus being about D20 System games, regardless of D20STL status.)</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="woodelf, post: 2408616, member: 10201"] What's the point of an award that's just a popularity contest? Isn't that a sales ranking? Until someone presuades me of an even better solution, i still think that the best way to make the awards both relevant to gamers in the they-get-to-directly-influence-the-results sense and relevant to gamers in the identifying-the-best-stuff-out-there-regardless-of-popularity-or-exposure sense is to have the nominations open to the general public and the voting done by a select group. Interesting. I wonder if that [i]is[/i] part of the solution: categorize games on company size as well as type. Hmmm... And here's where i smell the contradiction: does he want games judged by the public at large, or by professionals in the industry? Or is he talking about two different sets of awards? Huh? the ENnies are an "industry" award? They're even more skewed than the industry itself in favor of one segment of the RPG market. The voting methodology may be better (though i still think they're backwards), but giving a dozen-ish awards to D20 System products, and lumping everything else into one award, is hardly a good merit-based award system for the RPG industry as a whole. Now, eliminate the "Best Non-D20 System game" category and eliminate the implicit "D20 System" from all the other categories, and then i think we'd be fine. Even if the process still led to 95% of the winners being D20 System. [i]edit: actually, looking at the categories for the 2005 ENnies, it looks like perhaps they've mostly done that? Are the awards officially open to all game systems, except for the "Best D20 Game" category? Or is the D20 System-ness just assumed, given the venue? And, while i'm asking questions, is the "Best D20 Game" category really intended to only accept games with a D20 System logo, and not, say, Everquest D20? (versus being about D20 System games, regardless of D20STL status.)[/i] [/QUOTE]
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