Monte's 3.75? (A sequal is on its way)

[carmachu]

Normally I really like and respect Monte Cook's work, but this honestly just sounds like "Oh, I'll rip off everything I like about 4th Edition and sell it a couple months before 4th Ed comes out!"

Wow, just wow. Some of you 4e folks really take the cake. And you complain about folks who dont like like 4e.

So he's ripping off 4e, despite the fact he hasnt seen it.

You do know this release is his home brew rules he's been playing with for a while now right? Before the announcement of 4e?

sheesh, some of you people....

 

[ShinHakkaider]

Anyway, as it's been pointed out by several people in this thread alot of what's going to be in that book has already been mentioned by Cook on his site. Some of the stuff he's mentioned prior to the 4E announcement, so everyone here who's crying either theft or shennanigans on Mr. Cook has no idea what the hell it is they were talking about.

Second to those claiming that people are chirping a different tune because it seems like 4E changes in a 3E wrapper, well if those 4E changes allow me to use the 4E rules that I actually like without voiding the thousands of dollars in 3E material that I've already purchased, GREAT. So unless one of you guys (meaning the RABID 4E boosters, as opposed to the well reasoned ones who can reply to a post without attacking the poster or using snark.) are going to shell out for my 4E collection for the next 5 years, you should probably keep quiet about people sticking with 3E and not paying for a new edition.

 

[Wolfspider]

Why is this thread in the 4E forum. It really has no business being here despite whatever tenuous link the OP tried to draw to 4E.

Mods: Any chance we could get this outta here?

I think it is quite pertinent to 4e. In any case, though, I think that the mods are alright with it being here, since one has posted in this thread already and it hasn't been moved yet....

I will just echo the sentiment of some posters here by saying that I am excited about this product as well. I am hopeful that it will allow some new options into my v3.5 game that will mirror some of the things I've seen and liked about 4e without the many, many annoying things I've seen as well.

 

[Grimstaff]

Wow, just wow. Some of you 4e folks really take the cake. And you complain about folks who dont like like 4e.

So he's ripping off 4e, despite the fact he hasnt seen it.

You do know this release is his home brew rules he's been playing with for a while now right? Before the announcement of 4e?

sheesh, some of you people....

Why does he (HP Dreadnought) have to be "4E folks" just because he pointed out his opinion about about a 3.5 product? Don't try and shoehorn other people's posts into your anti-4E agenda. Throwing around terms like "you people" has been used before by other biased groups, and to no more respectable purpose.

HP's tone may have been a bit harsh to Mr. Cook, but it was in no way trying to influence anyone's taste in editions or attempting to offend other people, unlike your post. If you are so desperate to keep people from buying books no one has even seen, why not stand outside a bookstore until this June with a big sign rather than trolling around message boards 4 months too early.

Furthermore, with all due respect to Mr. Cook, anyone who thinks the timing of this release or the content included within it are purely coincidental is hopelessly naive, imho.

 

[Grimstaff]

everyone here who's crying either theft or shennanigans on Mr. Cook has no idea what the hell it is they were talking about.

Second...you should probably keep quiet about people sticking with 3E and not paying for a new edition.

1)Unlike you, who knows exactly what you are talking about, because Monte checks with you before he does anything, right? :\

2)I don't think anyone cares if you continue to play 3E or not.

 

[Rel]

Look people, let's talk more about the product in question and less about the motivations of those posting in this thread. If you happen to think that this thread has no business in this forum, I suggest that you go look at some threads you DO think have business here.

 

[Firevalkyrie]

Since it's cheap, I'll buy it; I'll check it out, I'll probably incorporate it into my current 3E game to some extent, but I'm still more interested in 4th Ed for a variety of reasons.

 

[FormerlyDickensC]

The only reason this new product even exists is because people over at Monte's own official forum begged and pleaded with him to write up a product describing his own house ruled which he had mentioned many times before (before 4E was a topic over here) but had never gone into deep detail about.

Plus, selling a 9$ pdf is not exactly cashing in on anything. This is merely a token gesture for fans that asked for it. Check out his own boards, the record is there. I think that most ppl who really follow and use Monte's writings know that a lot of his ideas (from AE, Eldritch Might, Roguish Luck, et al) drive "new" ideas elsewhere. Most of the time, I see his rules and then a "new" very similar but tailored differently in another product.

Its $9...if you don't want want don't get it...he did it for the ppl who like his work and begged him for it. But don't denigrate a man you don't know and in a situation you don't understand.

 

[ruemere]

I'd like to point out that Mr Cook has written Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. I think that many of the people who actually played it, found it different from the feel of core d20.

Personally, though I was just a player, I found AU/E more appealing because:
- balance and flexibility (and elegance) of magic system,
- greater amount of character options,
- greater load of mundane options for items (you don't need to have a magic blade to make a difference).

While various books of his contain useful optional rules, I think the existence of a working setting product proves that Monte can design a functional set of rules which enhances core d20. That's why, while I am usually leery of optional rule supplements (manuals from various sources rarely work with each other), I think I'm going to check out this book.

Regards,
Ruemere

 

[Grimstaff]

I'd buy a book by Monte listing rules to remove from 3.5. Like AoO, iterative attacks, crit confirmations, etc. It would be cool to see one of the last edition's chief game designers detail what his take would be on a "Lite" version of D20. Like the Book of Expurgated Might, or something.